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Fire Department Fees Increasing for 2012

Largest increase is a $30 hike in advanced life support transport for a nonresident. There's also a new $900 fee for kits to treat exposure to nerve agents.

 

Gas prices aren't the only cost that's going up — fees for services by the North Shore Fire Department are as well. However, these fees aren't jumping quite as exponentially as recent gas price spikes.

"The changes in fees are very limited," NSFD Chief Robert Whitaker said. "The only changes are ALS services, which is a county-wide fee structure. At this point, we don’t expect a significant change in our revenue projections based on these changes in fees."

There are only a total of four fee increases and three new fees on the 2012 schedule including:

  • A $5 increase for both residents and nonresidents for paramedic service and treatment without transport.
  • A $10 increase for residents needing paramedic services with transport. This is for Advanced Life Support (Level 2), such as administering medications or IVs while transported in an ambulance. 
  • A $30 increase for paramedic services with transport for nonresidents also in the Advanced Life Support (Level 2).

The new fees include:

  • Triage barcode wristbands, $3.
  • Cyano-kits,  $900.
  • CPAP, $45.

The most expensive new fee is the cyano kit, which is a special injection used to treat exposure to nerve agents according to NSFD Lt. paramedic Pete Bierton.

"We've been required to have them post 9/11," he said. "They're issued by the federal government."

According to the resolution proposed to each village by Whitaker, the new fee schedule will produce about $1,000 in revenue.

The Intergovernmental Cooperation Council, a group of Milwaukee County mayors and village presidents, passed the 2012 fee schedule at their Feb. 13 meeting. Since NSFD services seven communities — Fox Point, Bayside, Brown Deer, Glendale, River Hills, Shorewood and Whitefish Bay — five of the seven North Shore communities needed to also pass the schedule for the changes to enacted. All seven have approved these changes. 

Related Topics: 2012 fee schedule, Advanced Life Support, Ambulance, Ambulance Services, Basic Life Support, North Shore Fire Department, Pete Bierton, Treatment, and nsfd

David Tatarowicz

4:16 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

I never understood why the fire department charges a fee in addition to the taxes we pay. Good thing we don't have to pay extra for an officer to check out a prowler call.

You listed the increased price in fees for some, or the amount raised --- can you post a list of all the fees at the higher rates.

It is very sad when elderly folks hesitate to call 911 for chest pains, as they know they will get hit with a huge bill, even if it is indigestion. Have there ever been studies of how many people die because they hesitate to call for an ambulance because they can not afford the cost on a fixed income.

I also question why they send a huge ladder truck on a medical call --- common sense would say that they should have paramedic units that are like Ford Escapes, that can also respond to a fire with the truck, but would go alone to medical calls.

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CowDung

4:40 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Paramedic units in smaller vehicles instead of ladder trucks? You've been watching too many Emergency! reruns...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068067/

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Jay Sykes

4:51 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Your good friends from the federal government started/created the whole 'charging scheme' for emergency medical services(emt/ambulance). I believe that the service provider(North Shore Fire Department in your example) must accept assignment as full reimbursement. The elderly fear not, but I think this leads to cost significant shifting to those of us with private insurance.

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Sarah Worthman

5:29 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Hi Dave, Thanks for the comment. I'll upload the PDF from the board packets that include all the prices. Thanks for the request!

David Tatarowicz

5:53 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

@ Cow Dung --- actually I spent years in the transporation and logistics business --- and we wouldn't send an over the road Pete Sleeper with a 53 x 102 trailer to the Chicago Loop to pickup a 200 lb shipment ......... same principle applies here --- actually in police science, as I learned, it is better to have one man squads and send two to a call if needed for potential backup -- but if it turns into just a report writing gig, one cop can go back on patrol, instead of watching the other officer write it up

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David Tatarowicz

5:54 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

@Jay If I am correct you are an accountant, do you have any numbers you could share on who pays out of pocket and what is covered by medicare, medicaid and normal private plans --- also is there a co pay for medicare and medicaid?

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Jay Sykes

7:44 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

@David... One might find actual numbers, delineated by amount billed and actual remuneration by coverage provider (medicare / Medicaid / Private Insurance / Cash), in a financial report from the NSFD.
My recollections are from a financial report that a volunteer department 'up north' shows at their fund raiser: Medicare pays 80% of what they deem 'acceptable', patient pays 20%. Medicare only allowed about 1/4 of the total bill. Little to none collected from uninsured(cash or medicare supplemental), and believe they should not pursue them with a heavy hand.

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Sarah Worthman

12:18 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Hi everyone, just wanted you to know I've downloaded and attached the full fee schedule for 2012.

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North Shore Fire/Rescue

6:24 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

All, I am the Fire Chief for North Shore Fire/Rescue and would like at address a couple of the comments posted here since they are valid questions.
We, like almost every other fire department and ambulance provider in the State charge fees for service in an effort to fiscal minimize the impact of service delivery to taxpayers not using the service. Approximately 11% of the Department's Operating Budget is from revenue from fees for ambulance services. If it weren't for fees, the equivalent amount of money would need to be raised from the tax levy to provide equivalent levels of protection and service.

In regards to the potential for elderly residents fearing to call 911 for services due to fees, we do review financial hardship cases using similar policies used by hospital systems in an effort to provide assistance to those that might have a verifiable financial aid need.

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David Tatarowicz

11:17 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

@chief Thank you for your response. I understand, as I think everybody does, that if there wasn't a fee, the cost would go to taxes.

I for one would rather see it covered by taxes and not have the documented reluctance of elderly or poor to hesitate to call. Also, there is nothing worse than when a family gets a bill for service after a loved one dies in a traffic accident, from a heart attack, stroke, etc........

I also understand there could be an abuse of this system, with people calling when not necessary. I think again, a page could be taken from the cops, they start charging when they get multiple false alarms on a burglary system --- such a contingency could be provide for Fire Rescue Services also.

It would be interesting to see if residents, being knowledgeable that elderly and poor are sometimes reluctant to call for services, would not rather have all the service covered by taxes. That would be more of the rationale such as insurance, and property taxes are also deductible.

North Shore Fire/Rescue

6:26 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

In regards to the types of vehicles we use to respond to calls, this is a common question. The Department is cognizant of fuel costs and the related costs to operate large vehicles. In an effort to provide rapid response, we send the closest vehicle, which is usually an ambulance, but at times, the closest ambulance may be on another call, so a fire apparatus is the closest vehicle. While we realize this is a costlier response, scientific stuides have verified the value of rapid response to medical emergencies as a means to higher survivability rates. We have also evaluated the cost of purchasing smaller vehicles to respond in, but we actually found the cost is higher to do that since we would need to maintain a larger fleet and we would also reduce fire protection since we would need to take people off fire apparatus to respond in these smaller vehicles.

I hope this has provided some answers to the questions and concerns posted. Please feel free to contact my office if you have further questions or concerns.

Robert Whitaker
Fire Chief
North Shore Fire/Rescue

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Larry Booth

9:03 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Thanks chief Whitaker for that clarification in regard to fire trucks responding to medical emergencies. Just this morning I had an example of this when a fire truck responded to an emergency at Cardinal Stritch about 5 minutes before the ambulance arrived.

Also, I agree with David about elderly folks hesitating to call and ambulance because of costs. I have had two elderly neighbors tell me they held of calling 911 because of concerns over cost. Fortunately they both did eventually call for help.

North Shore Fire/Rescue

9:16 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Larry, that is a good example. The ambulance assigned that area was busy on another call for service, so the ladder truck is the next closest responder. They are fully equipped to provide EMS care. The ambulance came from another area of the North Shore.

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