Watch Ron Paul and Austrian economics destroy Paul Krugman and his Keynesian economics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEmKIRqz9AI

Two unfunded wars that Obama put on the books, massive tax cuts, leaps in military spending, the sweetheart Medicare Part D deal with drug makers, all brought to you by the Bush administration.

I remember when I could stomach him back when Bush was running the show, the five year old acting Mark Belling lying on the floor, kicking his feet, pounding his fist and bawling that deficits don't matter.

What Jimmy? Do you think these things just went away or are we going to be treated to this juvenile argument that Bush didn't pass this on? It's an old GOP trick. The GOP spends like drunken sailors when they are in office and cut taxes, then leave the mess to the Democratic successor and whine about deficits. Do you regard that as classy Jimmy.

My leg is wet. It's not raining.

AHA is ultimately more likely to turn into cluster***k than it is to fix anything, thanks to the sweetheart deal Obama cut with the insurance companies and the utterly stupid penalty setup. The stimulus package that "saved" jobs (read that, prolonged the inevitable) and the continuation of the Bush policies you find fault with - all that's on Obama's back.

Keep blaming Bush for everything. Nobody's buying it anymore.

And get some Depends while you're at it. Wetting yourself this frequently is a sign of an ongoing condition.

"Keep blaming Bush for everything. Nobody's buying it anymore."

Sorry pal -- http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/14/gallup-more-people-still-blame-bush-for-poor-economy-than-obama/.

Fortunately people are smarter than you.

"It's an old GOP trick. The GOP spends like drunken sailors when they are in office and cut taxes, then leave the mess to the Democratic successor and whine about deficits."

So the Democrats must have known this, since it's an old trick. You would have thought that they would have either run a candidate that could have handled the problem, as was promised. Or ran a candidate that was smart enough to not make promises he could not keep. Or just thrown the election and stuck the GOP with the mess.

Keith, a poll that shows that more people blame Bush for the state of the economy is not the same thing as people blaming Bush for everything and finding Obama faultless. If you can't see the difference, you've got no business commenting on the relative smartness of anyone.

And when you resort to poll results to attempt to prove your point, you've already admitted defeat.

In memory of R. King. " Can't we all just get along?" at least for one day? Happy Independence Day.

In fairness, if that is in your field of your range of perception, raise Americans salaries to keep pace with increases in production rather than having it go into the pockets off the 1% and reform health care so that people aren't driven into bankruptcy and we won't have to do our fake moralizing over credit cards.

We know how you on the right have active and out of control imaginations, but nobody likes credit card debt. If you could break yourselves of your fantasies maybe we could get somewhere.

That's what stands between us and solutions

Perhaps nobody likes making payments on credit card debt, but it's certainly easy to find lots of people who take out the biggest mortgage they can possibly meet minimum payment on, buy the most expensive car/boat/TV/etc. they can; then when they run into one of life's many little unexpected problems, like car trouble or a family member in need, they rack up credit card debt to make up for their lack of savings. And of course, they always refuse to admit they should have been more responsible, framing themselves as victims of circumstance.

The poster boys for the housing crash were people who love taking on as much debt as they can regardless of likelihood of future default, and the people who love to give them that credit. It is indeed an American pasttime.

Most everyone that I know is making about 30% less than they were in 2006. Unfortunately for US citizens our country's solution to competing with china has been to become more like china.

Greg - check your facts. GITMO as you called it, is still OPEN.

On January 7, 2011, President Obama signed the 2011 Defense Authorization Bill which places restrictions on the transfer of Guantanamo prisoners to the mainland or to other foreign countries, thus impeding the closure of the detention facility. He recently stated in a press release that he would not allow Guantanamo Bay to close because he does not support terrorist actions, however he strongly objected to the clauses and stated that he would work with Congress to oppose the measures.[16] U.S. Secretary of Defense Gates said during a testimony before the US Senate Armed Services Committee on February 17, 2011: "The prospects for closing Guantanamo as best I can tell are very, very low given very broad opposition to doing that here in the Congress."[17] After the United Nations called unsuccessfully for the Guantanamo Bay detention camp to be closed, one judge observed 'America's idea of what is torture ... does not appear to coincide with that of most civilized nations'.[18] In April 2011, Wikileaks began publishing 779 secret files relating to prisoners in the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.[19] As of April 2012, 169 detainees remain at Guantanamo

GITMO, as a lot of people call it, is still OPEN? But Obama said one of the first things he was going to do, as president, was close it. Say it ain't so, Joe please...

@Greg -

(In this response, I pretend to be Bren)

Don't listen to the extreme right-wing LIES - Obama promised that on day one that he would close Gitmo and Obama is not a liar! Don't believe the spin about how it's still open - that's just unfounded propaganda being pushed by ALEC. You do know what ALEC is and how evil they are, don't you? Do you think that any of the TeaGOPers that post here actually went down to Cuba to see if it was still open with their own eyes? Of course not - they're just believing completely credible media reports and official government websites for their information. Those stories are nothing but a giant media biased conspiracy theory started by Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Bros in an attempt to discredit Obama so that they can get their puppet candidate elected who will allow them to steal all of our money to make themselves even richer.

Remember, the people who claim that Obama lies are nothing but grown adults that do nothing but sit around in their parent's basements all day in their underwear watching Faux News. Trust me, you don't want to listen to those people, do you?

Nope, if Obama promised that he would close Gitmo on day one, then rest assured that's exactly what he did, as Obama only tells the people the truth because Obama is for the people and not the billionaires! But you don't have to take my word for it - check for yourself over on the Daily Kos.

(How'd I do?)

Hoff, Is that Irony or sarcasm? I don't understand either.

@Greg -

No Greg, that is what we on the Patch have learned to accept as being Bren.

But good question - how exactly would one best describe Bren's diatribes?

@JRH... I thought it was a Bren posting until I noticed that it lacked the reference to a friend or relative that was recently 'vacationing' at Gitmo; a Bren report, replete with a first hand, twice removed, eye-witness certified report that Gitmo was closed

@Jay -

Good point - one day I'll have Bren's mo down pat ;-)

A "young relative" told me today that monkeys open bananas from the bottom. Why did reading these posts remind me of that conversation? ; )

Hey, I open my bananas from the bottom too. If you call me a monkey again, I'll throw my poo at you.

; )

Total nonsense as usual. If you supported the Iraq invasion you have no right to complain about the deficit.

Why is it that some thinkers on the left always point to WWII as an example for why Obama should spend our way into prosperity, but Bush spending money on Iraq was such a bad idea. Is Obama spending buku bucks, on Afghanistan and other actions, any different?

Keith is super good with monies and holds creditable authority when speaking about such matters.

Yes Keith, blame the 6 trillion+ in spending by Obama on Bush. Don't want the sheep to figure out what is really going on.

Two wars over 8 years cost just under 1 Trillion.
Obama uses the emergency TARP used to keep the World's economy from collapsing as a "base Line" for over spending for the last 3 1/2 years, which results in deficit's of over 1.3 Trillion each and every year. You are a fool to think that OVER SPENDING that much each year can really be prudent.
WE ARE IN DEBT!!!!!!!!

Obama has run up a massive debt. PERIOD!!!! Stop the "blame Game"!!!!!!
NO MORE DEBT!!!!!! GOT IT!!!!! He is running us in the hole!!!!!!!! And you just see Republican/Democrat crap!!!!!!!! STOP OVER SPENDING!!!!!
How long can you borrow 40% more than you take in,,,,,,,,
THAT IS THE QUESTION AND YOU ARE AVOIDING THAT SIMPLE QUESTION!!!!!!

I guess it was too good to last.

How long can you borrow 40% more than you take in,,,,,,,,
THAT IS THE QUESTION AND YOU ARE AVOIDING THAT SIMPLE QUESTION!!!!!!

@Nick -

Are you denying that one of Obama's express campaign promises was that he would cut the deficit in half? And he knew or should have known full well what he was dealing with at the time he said that - it certainly wasn't a secret, was it?

Obama LIED and Walker and Ryan simply want to remind the American people of the unsympathetic deceptions that Obama used to get elected back in 2008.

Did we get to watch the Obamacare negotiations on C-Span 3 as Obama promised we'd be able to? Did Obama close the White House to lobbyists as he promised he would? Is Gitmo still open? How's all that hope and change working out for us?

And yet, you deny these and the countless other Obama LIES in an attempt to sell us your self-serving partisan political propaganda.

'De nile' isn't just a river a in Egypt, is it? Perhaps it's time to broaden your sources of information, as the Daily Kos is just polluting your mind with falsisms and unfounded conspiracy theories.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woBC5b3Ti0M

Well Hoffa, I was going to post a comment until you linked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woBC5b3Ti0M

I cant do any better than that!

Personally, I'm surprised that a great intellectual such as Nick would even want to associate himself with such people.

I'm sure you feel the same way about Scott Walker's 250,000 jobs promise, right?

@Taoist -

Why shift the subject to Walker unless you can't honestly defend Obama?

Huffa -

Quit changing the subject, you hack. The above comment makes no mention of party; I'm just assuming that "Jimmy Carter was nothing compared to BHO" is making a non-partisan point, and he's justifiably incensed about Walker's failure to do what he promised, his failure to fix Wisconsin, and all of his excuse-making regarding the recall election. Should have elected an adult...

Doesn't the Walker conversation belong in 2014? Huffa, you hack...

@Taoist -

Care to put your money where your mouth is? I'm willing to bet $50 that "Jimmy Carter was nothing compared to BHO" was referring to Obama's broken promises, and not the promises of Walker that haven't even come to full fruition yet. Hoffa has already won $50 from disillusioned lefty Schmitzy, so why not help increase Hoffa's pool of winnings from foolish lefties?

If it wasn't for the giant temper tantrum staged by the left in this state, Walker may very well have been able to fulfill his promise - but your side never gave him a fair chance to succeed.

To the contrary, Obama enjoyed his first couple years with a Party majority in both the House and the Senate, and yet the conservative legislators didn't run to Canada to prevent a quorum, did they? The conservative legislators didn't wear goofy t-shirts and shout shame at Obama and the Dems, did they? The conservative supporters didn't storm and occupy Capitol Hill for nearly a month, did they? The conservative supporters and legislators didn't encourage the boycott of US labor union made goods and services, did they? You know that this list is capable of running many pages, don't you?

So, who's really the hack here?

Hoffa, that sounds like excuse-making. I'm very aware of what "Jimmy Carter etc." was referring to; I'm just taking exception to his attempt to portray himself as a serious person.

I happen to agree with him; however, objectively, you have to apply his point to all absurd campaign promises, including the 250,000 jobs promise.

I'm not sure what, exactly, you want to wager money on; however, I'll bet you 10 grand that Scott Walker will fail to create 250,000 jobs. You have to either take that bet, or concede the legitimacy of the point I'm making here.

Or, I guess you could admit that you don't have a leg to stand on.

@Taoist -

There's the technical letter and then there's the spirit of a promise. Walker is performing consistently with most of his campaign promises on both fronts. Meanwhile, Obama's broken promises don't even live up to conforming to the spirit of said promises, do they? Plus, everyone knows or should have known that there's no way that Walker could guarantee the exact number of private sector jobs that would be created in the state under his leadership, as such is simply out of his realm of direct control. Plus, anyone that listened to him would have realized that he wants private sector jobs, not public sector jobs. In reality, Walker could hire 250k workers onto the public payroll and borrow the money to pay for them just like Obama does. Would that constitute a promise kept to you? Ergo, any rational person would have interpreted such a promise as meaning that Walker would do everything he can to make Wisconsin a business friendly state - and so far, he's been right on the money, hasn't he?

Contrast this to Obama's promise about the deficit and accumulated debts. As the Chief Executive, spending is wholly within his control as his recent Executive Order on immigration has proven - if he doesn't want to spend money that Congress says he has to, he can simply choose to de-prioritize whatever it is that they were wanting to spend on, right? Contrary to his promise, Obama has INCREASED the deficits and debts - and not decreased them as he had promised. That sure looks like a violation of the technical letter and the spirit of the promise to me. Not to mention that promise about Gitmo!

Wow. I'm pretty sure that when Scott Walker promised to create 250,000 new jobs (and 10,000 new businesses, so there goes your public employees loophole), he meant that he was going to create 250,000 new jobs.

You're suggesting that he didn't mean that, because everyone knows that there's no way he could promise that. Well... what about Obama's promises about the unemployment rate?

You can't have it both ways. You can throw a politician's campaign rhetoric back at him (as Ryan and Walker are happy to do), or you can give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he's acting in good faith. The definition of hypocrisy, however, is applying one standard to your opponent and another to yourself.

C'mon, either admit that you're a hypocrite, or smell this $10,000 that I'm waving under your nose and come get it. What's it going to be?

@Taoist -

At least Walker had the integrity to admit that it was a mistake to promise an absolute number. Plus Walker still has an additional 2.5 years during which his promise could come to fruition. It's unfair for you to judge and compare a promise that hasn't even run its full course yet, isn't it? The Obama promises mentioned in this story and comments are all things that Obama promised would happen by the end of his first term or before. Apples and oranges. Plus, when has Obama admitted to the mistakes regarding his broken promises? All I've ever heard is a lot of finger pointing, unless you honestly count laughing about how shovel ready wasn't as shovel ready as his administration expected!

Personally, I'll take a man of integrity over a man of finger pointing any day!

Clearly, you're ignoring these very real differences and distinctions to suit your own partisan purposes. You're only looking at and analyzing that which is favorable to your own supported outcome while ignoring the rest of reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIkksi344cM

BTW - Was that you in one of those lines in Detroit?

Also, I wasn't the one who was purporting to know the intent behind 'Jimmy Carter was nothing compared to BHO's comment - that was you, remember? And based on his further responses, it looks like I was correct in my assessment!

Hoffa,

Well, if Walker could still get it done, then that's all the more reason for you to take my wager! Come on, you've got ten thousand dollars, I've got ten thousand dollars, you think Scott Walker is God's gift to Wisconsin, I think Scott Walker is in way over his head and doesn't have an Oxycontin's chance in Rush Limbaugh's couch cushions of delivering on that promise, so let's make it interesting!

Seriously, man - you're squirming like a beetle on a pin. Big talk when Obama doesn't do exactly what he promised, but all "harumph harumph integrity partisanship harumph" when you're reminded of Walker's reckless campaign promises. Face it; you don't think he's going to get it done; otherwise you'd be trying to get my ten Gs. You know as well as I do that Scott Walker is being a massive hypocrite here.

@T.Crocodile.... I'll bet that you that $10 grand on an apples to apples actual promise comparison, using a walker and Obama jobs promise as the measuring tool. Obama promised unemployment would not exceed 8% with the stimulus plan. I win;Send me the $10 grand.

Oh, and at the end of the Walker term if he does not create 250k jobs I'll send you that 10 grand. ;)

I've got ten grand that says Governor Walker will get closer to creating 250,000 jobs than President Obama will get to cutting the deficit in half.
Is it OK if I try this funny name thing? I have been working on this for a while and think it's pretty good. How's Toothless Crocofpoo? Oh that's fun!

When we say "Scott Walker said" or "Scott Walker promised" I hope we're all page in understanding that he's just repeating what he's told. The 250,000 jobs meme was just a prevarication to help him get elected. There's no intention on seriously pursuing that campaign promise whatsoever, just as he never intended to negotiate with public employees as he is on record as promising to do.

Why even bother discussing these things?

I'd totally forgotten his days as a member of the "Rat Pack". Thanks for dredging that up.

What? What are you talking about? It's the same subject. If what you're sick of is politicians making impossible campaign promises and then failing to deliver, then you have to apply the same standard to Scott Walker, right? I'm giving you the opportunity to show that you're making a substantial point about politics in general, instead of just griping about the President. However, you are failing to impress.

@Taoist -

Walker at least admitted that an exact number was a bad promise to make - that's called character and integrity when someone can admit that they were wrong. Has Obama done the same concerning any of his broken promises? All I ever hear from him is finger pointing...

I don't know about you, but that's a HUGE difference if you ask me!

Okay, Jimmy, so if I can find a quote of the President admitting that his promise was ill-advised, you'll give up on this talking point? Will you go so far as to criticize Walker and Ryan for failing to extend the President the same courtesy?

Or, will you pull up your socks and let me score $10,000 off of you when Walker fails utterly to live up to his campaign promise?

@Taoist -

I'll give up the so-called 'talking point' if you can find something other than "(laughing) [s]hovel-ready was not as shovel-ready as we expected." And it must pertain to his promise regarding reducing the deficits and debts, as that's what Walker and Ryan are calling him out on. So, where's the admittance from Obama - we're all waiting….

I will not accept your bet because you did not accept mine. The difference between the two is that you purported to know what the intent of a Patch commentator was. Clearly, you were WRONG! I never accepted and perpetuated the technical merit of Walker's promise - only the spirit of such promise in that he would focus his efforts on allowing the private sector to blossom while reducing the size and scope of the state government. Thus far, he's been more than living up to the spirit of that promise, and he may just end up living up to the technical nature of such - only time will tell. In either scenario, he at least admitted that it was wrong to make such a technical promise - like I said before, that's called character and integrity, something that Obama apparently lacks, otherwise, you would have quoted an admittance to error from him by now!

@Taoist -

I'm still waiting on that admission from Obama that you promised to cite us to...

@Taoist -

Additionally, Walker's promise was never given a fair chance to succeed by more than 40% of the state. Do honestly think that a private business would want to move to or start up in Wisconsin after hearing about how 40% of the state supports boycotts against several private businesses? Walker didn't know that you guys were going to be a bunch of cry babies when he made the promise - that's why it's more important to look at the spirit of that promise. Again, Obama didn't live up to the spirit of his broken promises. There is nothing hypocritical here as you claim b/c of the differing circumstances and the fact that Walker had the character and integrity to admit that promising an exact number was wrong.

Still waiting on that admission from Obama... you were so certain about its existence, so what's taking you so long to cite us to it?

@Tosa720 -

"All of your huffing and puffing is nothing but hot air from a bunch of arm chair quarterbacks who would most likely fill their pants if they ever had to face the tasks at hand for the president."

I'd gladly accept that challenge - so, can I count on your vote?

Anti, thank you for your concern! I have been working.

No ALEC update today, but here's something my Republican father told me about Paul Ryan--that he's just blowing smoke trying to make a name for himself. It's hard work being a true conservative these days, I think, like an eagle trying to hunt while surrounded by a flock of screaming magpies.

Good to hear you are alive and well Bren.

I noticed you mentioned that your father is Republican. Is he Conservative? We have alot of RINOs out there, what we need are more good Conservatives like Congressman Ryan and Governor Walker. People who know that we need to get this country back to work, even if it is a little painful for some.

Since blowing smoke is Barack Hussein Obama's specialty (literally and metaphorically), there is no way Congressman Ryan could pull it off.

It's a good thing our 3.0 wiped the floor with your 0 for 3, because the judgment connected to your support really sucks.