I also herd that Romney likes to kill Chinese babies for sport. Read more about it here. http://dregstudiosart.crazyliberalblogspot.com/2012/05/chinese-baby-sports.html

Yeah, a 727% increase in entitlement spending since 1960 is not enough.

2/3 of the entire budget spent on entitlements is not enough. We need to spend 4/3 of the budget.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444914904577619671931313542.html

There would b e no rise in entitlement spending if wages weren't being cut or jobs being sent overseas so the C Suite can make tens of millions in salaries. Take it back to the source.

Here is a little suggestion to those that are obviously envious of rich people. Stop spending your time blogging and get off your butt and do something about it. Work several jobs and come up with an idea and invest you life savings, time and energy so you too can be rich. It is not a zero-sum game meaning that if you take more from the rich, you will have more money. Do like the rest of us and work toward that goal and not just sit in some union shop making what ever the union says you can make. It really is that simple, because in the end, some rich guys and gals own the company you work for. And if you keep attacking them and stealing their money, they are going to can you and others, thus perpetuating the problem.

Something tells me Keith Schmitz is part of the entitlement problem.

Still some folks clinging to the failed "trickle down" theory, I see. Have tax cuts helped create more jobs in the past four years? No. Have tax cuts halted offshoring? No. Why do some insist on offering tax cuts to the wealthiest when 20 years of statistical data prove that these benefits do not trickle down as intended?

Play the race card, play the class warfare card etc. What's so bad about people making money? Are you jealous when people succeed? Who hires new employees? Come on. Obama: Nothing like adding $5.4 trillion to the national debt in four yrs., giving money to cronies like Solendra. That was $500m down the crapper. GM......big success story. Then why does the government still own 26% of it? 49 million or so on food stamps.....it goes on and on. This guy couldn't run a Dairy Queen yet alone the USA. Get real.

@Bren -

"Still some folks clinging to the failed "trickle down" theory, I see. Have tax cuts helped create more jobs in the past four years? No. Have tax cuts halted offshoring? No. "

And why - because it's a new global economy and even with our reduced rates, competing nations' rates are even lower.

Do you honestly think that raising taxes on businesses and the wealthy will help manufacturing in this country? If so, you're in extreme denial of reality!

U happy with our current Marxist????

You liberals are so desperate and have no record to run on you just claim Ryan is lying. Even when proven correct you still claim lies. It's not going to work, Walker's election proved your old games are tired and childish.

@Nick
"what he hides is destructive". If it is hidden, how do you know about it?

Those of us out in the real world, thinking and questioning, we just watched the debt clock click over the $16trillion mark which is nearly $6trillion higher then when Obama took office. Our spending remains unchecked as our president is unable to produce the leadership needed to get a budget passed.

Sure he inherited a problem created by 30 years of a perverted CRA originally started by Carter. However, the Dems took hold of both houses of congress in 2006 and did nothing to prevent us from going off the cliff. When Obama was elected and had both houses of congress they did nothing that created jobs.

Personally, I would stop this wild goose chase for "what is hidden" and big to question the destructive nature of the current administration doing it in plain sight.

@Nick -

Ryan wasn't caught lying about anything! The liberal left are lying about Ryan allegedly lying, so of course you slurp it up as reality because you're apparently unable to think for yourself or if you do, your thought in not based on logic!

And Ryan has publicly denounced the atheistic and adulterous aspects of Rand's philosophies, in case you didn't get the memo.

Perhaps it's about time that Nick embraces some new sources of information, or he could adopt Hoffa's philosophy - only accept the unfiltered primary source and accept no substitutes! Analyze the situation for yourself and draw your own conclusions.

I'm wiling to bet that Poulos hasn't even read all 900+ pages of the ACA, Romney's complete 57 point plan, Ryan's Path to Prosperity and related budget bill, etc. And yet he claims to be well informed - nothing could be less true!

Yet Hoffa has read ALL of the primary source documents for himself!

Case closed!

I don't know why you guys respond to Nick Poulos, given that he never contributes anything but posturing.

Hopefully someone will invite poor, cableless Nick over so he can view the Democratic Convention. I can't imagine he'd really forsake the opportunity to take in all the truth-tellling, non-exageration, non-salesjob and non-scare-tactics that'll be on display in NC this week.

Imagine all the thinking that's gone into the words that will work to define for America an end-state that can't be maintained without emulating the course of direction taken by the home country of one of his favorite ancient philosophers. Not to be missed.

Nick
Fortunately ,you high level of ignorance will be the minority. You have embraced failure and assume everyone else will like it . Carter and Obama will meet the same fate. Your moronic commentary is meaningless. Obama career was launched by a terrorist and you want to talk morals lol Your a joke!

@Nick Poulos

If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
-Joseph Goebbels

So Nick, you are using Nazi tactics to try and give Barack Hussein Obama four more years to let this country down. You should be ashamed, but I know you aren't!

@ Nick.....If we all decided to get behind this Clown Obama, it will be to kick his boney ass out of office. You are clueless. Good luck with that Fruitcake.

Hey Auntie.

Paul Ryan not only believes in the big lie, he lies big.

After hearing from Stacy Lihn last night, people will wonder what kind of monsters are demanding the end of Obamacare so that the hogs that run private insurance companies can shove their snouts further in the trough.

Really Nick? You wanna go there? What about Obama lying about the stimulus would lower unemployment below 8%. Or what about Obama lying about closing Gitmo? What about Obama lying about his past relationships with domestic terrorists? What about the real lie that Obama said if the government stuck money into the auto industry that the Janesville plant would be open for a 100 years. THAT IS THE REAL LIE DUFUS!

Don't forget that Ayn Rand embraced Social Security and Medicare. She didn't flick those benefits away like ash from one of her cigarettes. Collectivism bad, unless it's good for you.

Ryan circa 2005: The one person who shaped my views and philosophy on life was Ayn Rand. I grew up reading her books.

Ryan circa August 2012: I liked her books but she teaches an atheistic philosophy I don't agree with.

So Ryan denies his idol? Don't believe it until he publicly throws his Path to Poverty plan as being infested with atheistic philosophy and rewrites it to reflect humanitarian/God-fearing values.

@Bren -

Rand was forced to pay into the system, so their is no inconsistency in taking back what was rightfully hers in the first place.

Yeah Bren, because more debt and allowing programs to go insolvent while only offering tax increases on the rich that wouldn't fix anything would be the moral and ethical thing to do, right?

@Dirk -

Let's check Ryan's speech fact by fact, shall we?

"When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it (TRUE or else he wouldn't have won the election), especially in Janesville (TRUE as Obama carried Janesville in the 2008 election), where we were about to lose a major factory (TRUE). A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant (TRUE). Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years (TRUE)." That’s what he said in 2008 (TRUE). Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year (TRUE). It is locked up and empty to this day (TRUE)."

So, where's the lie exactly?

I await your response.

@Dirk -

Clearly, the word 'like,' used in such context, meant 'such as,' otherwise why mention creating good paying jobs in Wisconsin, unless Obama was planning to keep Janesville closed and build a new plant in Wisconsin, which would just be plain STUPID and why would anyone need to "retool" a brand new plant?

And did Obama create a single good-paying auto job in Wisconsin? I certainly don't see any!

I don't know about you, but to Hoffa, it sure sounds like Obama was pitching to the Janesville and similarly situated autoworkers to vote for him in the HOPE that Obama's victory might CHANGE their situation.

"The U.S. Treasury -- which is part of the Obama administration -- has owned a sizable stake in GM since 2009, so, presumably, if the president and Treasury had wanted to take a more activist role to reopen Janesville, it could have. After all, the administration called for and got the firing of then-CEO Rick Wagoner."

Obama had influence to do things, and he demonstrated that by effectively firing Rick Wagoner. Other plants in Bedford, Toledo, Massena, Bloomington, etc. were either already closed or scheduled for closing, but then miraculously remained open after Obama's bailout went through. Funny how that worked out.

But Obama couldn't pull a string for the people he directly lectured about the plant being there for a hundred more years with government assistance?

Your conclusion is not an honest one in light of the available facts!

Hoffa - You are a bitter-ender regarding the Janesville Janus, the duplicitous Paul Ryan. Obama was not President until January 20, 2009. Paul Ryan was the U.S. Representative for JANESVILLE all through the GM plant closing process. He was the Chairman of the Budget Committee. He either could do nothing, or did nothing effective to save the plant. Now he just trying to cast blame for the plant failure right in the heart of his District away from himself like a 2nd class Scout, onto Obama, who had all of the auto industry, the whole country and, indirectly, a lot of the world to worry about. What a cheap shot Ryan made when he could have come across with some integrity in his speech. Now he looks like Romney's hatchet man. No wonder the Republican Convention actually lowered Romney's national polling numbers.

@Dirk -

Like a true liberal, you try to shift the subject. This isn't about Ryan. Ryan never stood before the autoworkers at the plant, giving lofty speeches about hope for the future if those workers supported his campaign, did he?

NO.

Obama did. And then he doubled down on that hope in the statement he made in October 2008.

And you never showed me wherein Ryan lied in his speech. Please quote the part wherein he lied or admit that he told the truth.

Finally, the plant was still open when Obama took office. Medium and light duty trucks were still rolling out the doors, ready for sale until June of 2009, fulfilling the contract with Isuzu Motors of Japan. How do you honestly call a plant that has people inside turning out a finished product closed? That just doesn't make sense. By your adopted standard, any factory that is not operating at its full capacity, 24-7-52, is consider closed. Thus you would consider most of the factories in the country today effectively closed just because they don't operate at full capacity. That's completely illogical!

Stop drinking the kool-aide and get a clue!

Dirk You are just not that bright and lets leave it at that.

Paul Ryan was a youth member of Scouts but did not earn Eagle Scout. Simple to check before spouting off with goobledeekook!

Brian Dey - Your comment reflects on your own brightness. From what I can piece together out of Racine Co., you are a political loser and quitter in local politics.

At least they gave you that weed commissioner job for Caledonia.

Craig Stands With you on that Hoffa!
Obama has hurt this Country nearly to the point of no recovery.
I still wonder why the Social Security Admin bought 174,000 rounds of hollow points?
Could it be they are expecting an Obama Win in Fall?
Do they expect an American Revolution when granny stops getting her SSI checks?
ObamaCare- "stealing from thise who paid into the system to provide for those who won't".

Hoffa respects Carter, as he at least led by example. When Carter was promoting green energy, he had solar panels installed on the roof of the White House (later removed by Reagan because they didn't work very good) and was very conscientious of his use of Air Force One.

In comparison, Obama gives a speech about jobs, touting that he wants to see more products with the label 'Made In USA' on them, after he had just received his new campaign buses that were made in Canada. Jeffrey Immelt, Obama's jobs czar, had also just announced that he was moving GE's med-tech and aerospace divisions to China! And I don't see any Solyndra solar panels on either the roof of the White House or Obama's Chicago home, do you? Not to mention Obama's obscene use of the federal executive air fleet for both him and his family's every whim and desire.

Obama talks about caring about those who are struggling in this economy, and yet, he had no problem spending $3M of our tax dollars throwing a luxury Alice in Wonderland Party hosted by Tim Burton and Johnny Depp at the WH during the height of what he has called the 'Great Recession!' Who's out-of-touch again?

And Obama's auto bailout will cost us over $25B+.

By comparison, Carter accumulated no new federal debt and actually paid down some of the previously acquired debt. He also deregulated the airline and alcoholic beverages industries. And his bailout of Chrysler under Lee Iaccoca actually made the taxpayers money!

Hoffa - Choosing Carter over Obama lacks rationality. 30+ years of hindsight for Carter, and right in the middle of a Presidential general election for Obama. You are comparing the warm, cobwebbed glow of nostalgia with the hard rock reality of current political fracas. A cheap exercise in futility.

@Dirk -

Did you miss all the FACTS that Hoffa cited????

Is your reading comprehension really that bad???

Carter rarely if ever took a vacation while he was President. Obama has played more rounds of golf and took more vacations than any other President in modern history, and yet he was the only one to ever promise “I will not rest until everyone American who is able, and ready and willing to work can find a job. And a job that pays a decent wage and has decent benefits to support a family.”

Carter was a leader by example. While Obama prefers to LIE and employ a 'do as I say but not as I do' approach to leadership.

Fact is that you know that Hoffa is right and that you can't dispute the objective facts. However, your blind partisanship does not allow you to weigh the objective facts.

You can search Hoffa's Patch history - he's been saying that he'd take Carter over Obama for the last year and a half!

Jimmy, I always thought you were different from the other racist scum on this blog, but it looks like you too are into the Great White Hope.

Schmitzy - still dealing with your unresolved racial guilt? I about choked on my first first wake and bake this morning reading your drivel. How do you find anything racial in Hoffa? And you call him a racist scum? You are low Schmitz - you are a bitter man with deep rooted racial guilt.

He's projecting. He was complicit in assuring the Great White Carpetbagger beat out her African-American opponents in the recent 10th District election. Until he can come to grips with the internal conflict of being actively involved in that embarrassment while claiming to be a "progressive", we're going to continue to be subjected to this nonsense periodically.

Hoffa - Big deal about choosing Carter over Obama. You are obviously just trying to cast dispersions on Obama, as Carter has been widely regarded by many as a weak president over the years and derided by conservatives.

We cannot compare Romney to another President, as he has tried and failed in the past to even attain that rank. Romney could not even make Senator, lost in a landslide. Who can we compare Gov. Romney to, other Republican Governor Presidential election losers like Gov. Alf Landon or Gov.Thomas Dewey?

Carter gave a stirring endorsement of Obama last night in the Democratic Convention. History has been kind to Carter. Obama is still making history.

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McBride exposes and destroys Schmitzy yet again!

@Dirk -

Because you cannot refute Hoffa's FACTS, you reply with the diminishing opinion of 'big deal,' and instead of citing facts of your own, just talk about other people's opinions in a very generalized way.

Yeah, that's a great way to try and win an argument all right - with absolutely no substance what-so-ever. Just like Barrett in the recall election, and just like Obama in 2008 and today - the Dems also have NO SUBSTANCE to stand on.

I also give Carter a break in that he was working with a then fairly new monetary system, having just come off the gold standard under Nixon. But for Obama, there's no viable excuse.

You can stick your head in the sand as much as you like Dirk, but on a match for match basis, Obama has been a far worse President than Carter. The objective facts don't lie.

Hell, if I were a liberal / lefty Democrat, I'd write-in Carter as opposed to voting for Obama again!

Hoffa - Oh how brave, picking Carter over Obama. A totally academic, senseless, and useless exercise in futility. You cannot pluck individuals out of history and compare them to current individuals in a logical way. Maybe in thirty years, be sure to get back to us with the same comparison when it makes more sense.

@Dirk -

How exactly do the facts change over time? The facts are the facts - time doesn't change facts!

Try again!

AWD - Your rantings are to be expected from someone that wants DDT to come back into our lives. What a bunch of conspiracy theory crap you spew:

The bullets are for Social Security's office of inspector general, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.

The agents carry guns and make arrests — 589 last year, Lasher said. They execute search warrants and respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees and customers.

Agents carry .357 caliber pistols, Lasher said. The bullets, which add up to about 590 per agent, are for the upcoming fiscal year. Most will be expended on the firing range.

NOAA uses the bullets for the Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement. . The ammo is "standard issue" and will be used by 63 enforcement personnel at NOAA during qualifications and training sessions.
"NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles," he said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/17/agencies-tamp-down-speculation-over-hollow-point-ammo-purchases/#ixzz25YkzpvEf

@Dirk -

Why does the SS office or NOAA need hollow-point ammunition as opposed to regular ammunition? Doesn't hollow-point do more damage to the human body than traditionally pointed ammunition does? The use of hollow-point suggests that the people that these agents are dealing with are even more dangerous than the criminals local police, FBI, DEA, FTA, etc come into contact with! For some reason, I don't see an SS cheat being more dangerous than a loyal member of a drug cartel.

AWD, you really should seriously consider mental help. No wonder you hide behind a screen name. What a call for help.

Dirk - you do not know your DDT. How many died from the use of DDT?

Please take your medication.

Hoffa - There are now enough right wing nuts out there that regard a Social Security office as the evil equivalent of an abortion clinic. Social Security recipients and workers there are regarded as leeches on the system by these fanatics. As far as Social Security cheating goes, that is generally associated with other types of crime or desperation, and it is probably not a friendly habitat where the agent knocks on the door.
I do agree that hollow point bullets may be overkill, but then, I am not a gun carrying federal agent put into bad situations.

@Kelly -

So who are you endorsing in the Presidential election?

If he or she answered in the affirmative, would that make them racists?

Ray Ray, Obama is not a "communist." Also, the English Translation of the acronym U.S.S.R. is "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics." Even what we refer to as "communist" China is more reflective of socialism.

@Toas720 -

1) Obama doubled down on his promise to keep the plant open in October of 2008, wherein he said:

"This news is also a reminder that Washington needs to finally live up to its promise to help our automakers compete in our global economy. As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America."

Clearly, the word 'like,' used in such context, meant 'such as,' otherwise why mention creating good paying jobs in Wisconsin, unless Obama was planning to keep Janesville closed and build a new plant in Wisconsin, which would just be plain STUPID, and why would anyone need to "retool" a brand new plant?

And did Obama create a single good-paying auto job in Wisconsin? I certainly don't see any!

I don't know about you, but to Hoffa, it sure sounds like Obama was pitching to the Janesville and similarly situated autoworkers to vote for him in the HOPE that Obama's victory might CHANGE their situation.

2) Obama had the influence.

"The U.S. Treasury -- which is part of the Obama administration -- has owned a sizable stake in GM since 2009, so, presumably, if the president and Treasury had wanted to take a more activist role to reopen Janesville, it could have. After all, the administration called for and got the firing of then-CEO Rick Wagoner."

Obama demonstrated that he direct power over the bailouts by effectively firing Rick Wagoner. Not to mention that other plants in Bedford, Toledo, Massena, Bloomington, etc. were either already closed or scheduled for closing, but then miraculously remained open after Obama's bailout went through. Funny how that worked out.

But Obama couldn't pull a string for the autoworkers of Janesville, despite directly speaking to them on the subject of keeping the plant open twice?

3) The Janesville plant was still open when Obama took office.

Medium and light duty trucks were still rolling out the doors, ready for sale until June of 2009, fulfilling the contract with Isuzu Motors of Japan. How do you honestly call a plant that has people inside turning out a finished product closed? That just doesn't make sense. By your adopted standard, any factory that is not operating at its full capacity, 24-7-52, is consider closed. Thus you would consider most of the factories in the country today effectively closed just because they don't operate at full capacity. That's completely illogical!

4) Ryan never lied.

Let's check Ryan's speech fact by fact, shall we?

"When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it (TRUE or else he wouldn't have won the election), especially in Janesville (TRUE as Obama carried Janesville in the 2008 election), where we were about to lose a major factory (TRUE). A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant (TRUE). Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years (TRUE)." That’s what he said in 2008 (TRUE). Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year (TRUE). It is locked up and empty to this day (TRUE)."

So, where's the lie exactly?

Your conclusions are not honest in light of the facts!

So much ignorance in these posts, I don't know where to start.

@Tosa 720 -

You've already demonstrated that you have no idea what you're talking about, but Hoffa will play along, if only to continue to demonstrate your ignorance and brainwashed by propaganda mentality. First off, when you vote, you're voting for the candidates, and not the party platform. In 2008, candidate Obama didn't fully agree with his party's platform, did he? But let's look at both the GOP candidates and the Platform, shall we?

"If you are and you & your wife used it for family planning, why do you want to take that freedom to control family size away from future generations?"

Please cite to the primary source (Romney/Ryan campaign or GOP Platform) wherein the candidates or Party are proposing to outlaw the use of birth control.

Because the campaign hasn't said anything on this issue and the Platform is also silent on this issue.

"What would you do if your daughter or wife was raped &couldn't emotionally deal with a rape pregnancy? Or what if your daughter was pregnant &carrying a baby where the birth would kill your daughter? Would you want her to carry it full term &die, leaving baby with no mother?"

Please cite to the primary source (Romney/Ryan campaign or GOP Platform) wherein the candidates or Party are proposing to outlaw even the exceptions of rape/incest/life of the mother in regards to fetal abortion.

Because according to the campaign Mitt believes "that states should be empowered through the democratic process to determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by federal judicial mandate."

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/values

And the Platform doesn't mention anything about outlawing abortions, but rather talks greatly about limiting them and prohibiting the federal funding of them (section entitled 'The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life,' pp 13-14).

" Or, why keep yours or anyone's children or grandchildren from getting a decent education? - which will be prevented by higher costs &interest rates for college students."

Please cite to the primary source (Romney/Ryan campaign or GOP Platform) wherein the candidates are proposing to directly raise the costs of college tuition and interest rates.

Because according to the campaign "post-secondary education cannot become a luxury for the few; instead, all students should have the opportunity to attend a college that best suits their needs. Whether it is public or private, traditional or online, college must be available and affordable. Improving education in America is a priority for Mitt."

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/education

And the Platform takes a very pro-education stance and even addresses lowering the cost barriers of higher education (section entitled 'Education: A Chance for Every Child,' pp 35-37).

"Why would you want to allow insurance companies and health providers to gouge you with higher costs - and set limits to the amount of care you receive - especially in you or your wife's later years?"

Please cite to the primary source (Romney/Ryan campaign or GOP Platform) wherein the candidates are proposing to directly increase health insurance rates and limit the care that is covered by private insurers.

Because according to the campaign, Mitt wants to restore the patient/doctor relationship, promote free markets and fair competition in health care which will all help to lower the costs of healthcare, and empower individual choice when it comes to health care.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care

And the Platform directly advocates for a better and cheaper healthcare system (section entitled 'Our Prescription for American Healthcare: Improve Quality and Lower Costs,' pp 33-35).

"Lastly, why vote to increase your tax liability by at least $2000 per year?"

Please cite to the primary source (Romney/Ryan campaign or GOP Platform) wherein the candidates are proposing to increase our tax liability by at least $2,000 per year.

Because according to the campaign, Mitt wants to lower your taxes by reducing your marginal income tax rate by 20% and eliminating the cap gains / dividends / and interest tax on anyone who's adjusted income is below $200,000 annually. There is nothing about proposed tax increases.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/tax

And the Platform only talks about lower and limiting taxes for all - not raising them (section entitled 'Restoring the American Dream: Rebuilding the Economy and Creating Jobs,' pp 2-5).

Your conclusions are erroneous and do not reflect the FACTS.

You are either GROSSLY ill informed or you are nothing but a partisan HACK that believes in LIES and the perpetuation of them!!!

You obviously also never even read the GOP Platform, or Mitt Romney's 57 point plan. Instead, you apparently rely upon the misinformation of biased third party sources. Personally, Hoffa prefers to review the primary sources for himself, conduct his own analysis and draw his own conclusions - it's called thinking for yourself.

Perhaps you should try thinking for yourself sometime, as you just may learn something based on real objective FACTS and reality instead of liberal propaganda and LIES!

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/travel/Obama+daughter+spends+spring+break+Mexico/6323773/story.html

Don't want to have a 13 yr old go without a 2 + million dollar vacation that we pay for do we.....

socrates, wasn't there/isn't there some sort of Great Recession going on and 14 million people lost their jobs? Do you think some of them might have and continue to need food stamps?

@Bren -

Obama previously said that he could fix all that in 3 years, remember?

@Tosa720
I will ask the same question I have posted above and gotten no response.

Since the Dems took control of both Houses of Congress in 2006; what did they do to stop the economic melt down in 2009?

What do you think they should have or could have done, J.B.? Considering that President Bush still had a veto over any legislation that didn't fit his agenda?

@Randy
Rather then deflect, please attempt to answer the question. The Republican's, knowing full well that Obama has veto power and the Dem controlled Senate can stall any bill, have continue to push legislation. Therefore, please tell me what bills the Dems attempted to pass or brought to committee that would have prevented the economic collapse of 2009?

No, you raised the question. You need to say what you feel they could have done. Reinstate Glass-Steagall? Rescind the Bush tax cuts? Call an end to the two wars and Medicare D? What?

The current crop of House GOP just wants to waste time on social issues and make the poor and elderly pay for the mistakes of the last thirty years.

@Randy
Wrong, It is you and your libby friends that want to put full blame on Bush. Therefore, you know the exact causes of the economic fall. Hence, wouldn't reversal of those causes that Bush created have cancelled out the economic fall.

So please tell me which bills were brought to the floor of either house of Congress by the Dems that would have reversed the actions taken by Bush in order to avert an economic crisis?

Or you could admit that the Democrats (including then Senator Obama) are equally responsible for the economic fall, if for nothing less then gross negligence? In which case that negligence carries forward into the current administration as it has also failed to accomplish anything that would being the US back to pre-2009 economic conditions.

"the deficit was intentionally run up during the Bush era to set the tone for the GOP's plan to eliminate any &all programs."

And this is exactly why no one in their right mind should take Tosa720 seriously - she is nothing but an extreme partisan HACK who apparently believes in wild unfounded conspiracy theories!

Hoffa - Please state your qualifications to call anyone a "hack" or your primary sources to label Tosa720 as such. Play by your own rules.

@Dirk -

The qualification comes from Hoffa's exposure of Tosa720's believe in conspiracy theories as opposed to hard objective facts, which Hoffa already appropriately identified in the post you are referencing.

Thanks for playing!

Curious if any of you liberal democrats are educated? Seems not.

What do you consider to be an 'education', Socrates?

@unformed socrates - I am educated in the Socratic method, and you flunk.

@morninmist -

Only your douche-baggery causes you to see this as a lie.

Ryan and the GOP have admitted that there are several good things in the ACA, or Obamacare. And they have even proposed keeping several of those good things in legislation that is done right.

It's the totality of the Obamacare legislation that is wrong.

So again, where's the lie?

Falsely accusing others of lying - what a tolerant act from the supposed party of tolerance!

More proof that the Democrats are targeting and relying upon the low-information, non-thinking voter. That's why morninmist is already on-board with the Dem bandwagon!

@morninmist -

Typical name calling from the so-called party of acceptance and peace!

By resorting to such LOW and DIRTY tactics, you conclusive prove that your side has absolutely nothing of substance to run on!

Hoffa

At least Lying Ryan is polite:

Coffee Bean ‏@CoffeeBean26

Paul Ryan wrote thank you letter for stimulus money to Wisconsin http://democurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2012/09/lyin-ryan-talk-of-nation.html?spref=tw #WIunion #1U #ctl #p2 #p2b #DNC2012 fem2

Biggest Brown Noser????.................In high school?????...............OMFG!!!!!.....Say it ain't SOOOOO!!!!!!

Mornimist - I was just listening to the Butthole Surfers and somehow I thought of you.

Ima - I was listening to the Virgin Fugs, and you were in every song in some awful way.

@Tosa 720 -

Your logic does not follow. If the proposal is simply to outlaw all abortions, then why would there be a need to talk about other aspects of abortion like federal funding, care of treatment for fetuses that survive an abortion attempt, call for legislation to ban sex-selective abortions, etc?

It doesn't follow. If the GOP wants to outlaw all abortions, as you claim, then there would be no need to talk about all the other stuff that is raised in the Platform about the issue, as abortion wouldn't occur because it would be blanket illegal - case closed, right?

But the Platform does talk about all those other aspects, so logic would dictate that there must be exceptions whereby abortion would be deemed appropriate under the Platform, otherwise there would be no need to discuss all that other stuff, right?

If you want to believe in unfounded and unsupported by logic conspiracy theories because Rachel Maddow tells you to, that's your prerogative.

However, Hoffa prefers to live in the reality of FACT and LOGIC.

We should remember that the Republican Party was created in response to a crisis arising from the fact that American public opinion on the issue of slavery had drifted away from the principles of the Founding. While the Founders had tolerated slavery out of necessity, many Americans, especially within the Democratic Party, had come to accept the idea that slavery was a "positive good."

@Tosa 720 -

Again, you cite the opinions and analysis of third parties, holding them out as being fact. Opinions are not FACTS!!!

And you completely ignore the position of the official party candidate.

You admit that the Platform addresses other aspects of the issue, but then conclude that its some absolute extremist position. If it's all about the fetus, as you claim, then why would the need exist to address all those other aspects? If it's all about the fetus, then abortion would be blanket illegal and there would be no need to discuss anything further beyond the blanket ban, correct?

A fair reading of the Platform on the issue suggests that a case by case balancing test be employed to determine if and when an abortion is appropriate, thus preserving the rights of both the fetus and the mother.

But your preconceived bias and reliance upon other biased third party opinions don't allow you to see the reality of the situation. Instead, you relish in a conspiracy theory premised upon assumption, speculation, and conjecture.

You're right, there is no point in continuing the discussion as Hoffa believes in working with FACT and fair interpretation while you believe in conspiracy theories premised upon your biased per-conceived notions about the party and unfounded assumption, speculation, and conjecture.

You do know the old saying about those who proceed on mere ASSumption, don't you?

unaborted - Well, you certainly are not Socrates with that non sequitur. Not sure what slavery has to do with abortion, unless it is the raped woman that is held as a "slave" by the government to force her to have and raise her child. As Socrates said " Not life, but good life, is to be chiefly valued."

And the Republican party obviously morphed over the last 150 years to its present state as the party of overwhelming choice by white Southerners.

@Dirk -

Why are you stereotyping white southerners?

Schmitzy is the boy who cries racism on Patch - do you really want to try and take his place?

Hoffa - I can use the "SW" words. I was one for many years. You can't, you are just a Northern bigot. Please be more sensitive to us. .

@Tosa720 -

You need to understand the special relationship between Hoffa & morninmist.

Hoffa - Have that special relationship in private. There are laws about public indecency.

@Dirk -

That was funny - glad to see you have a sense of humor ;-)

Dan - Umm, the DNC wants God out of your life. The DNC knows what is better for you. God cannot help you. Only the Government can help you. DNC likes the growth in food stamps.

@Dan - You seem like such a forlorn and sad soul. You mention national suicide. The sun will still come up in the morning when Obama wins, and will shine on you equally.

Which god?

Lying Ryan's credibility is in the pigpoop!!

http://rootriversiren.blogspot.com/2012/09/paul-ryans-living-nightmare-just-wont.html?spref=tw

...Then a random article which mentioned that Ryan has spent his vacations doing some mountain climbing out in Colorado. Ryan said he'd made close to 40 climbs of Colorado's "Fourteener's" mountains. The statement turned into a full blown incident yesterday when journalists forced his campaign to state whether he'd climbed nearly 40 of the "Fourteener's" peaks (a feat he couldn't possibly have done) or made 40 climbs.

Ryan's spokesperson had to issue a statement saying he had made 40 climbs of some of the same peaks............

@morninmist -

You're really getting pathetic!

And who cares what the Root River Siren thinks - she is nothing but a foul mouthed partisan hack and makes illogical conclusions premised on faulty analysis.

Bottom line - you can't attack Ryan on the issues so instead you focus on misinterpreting his leisure activity accomplishments.

Yeah, just like Hoffa said - pathetic!

Hoffa

Good on the Big Dawg! He called out lying Ryan also:

Marquette Democrats ‏@MarquetteDems

Last night, President Clinton called out Romney and Ryan for spreading lies. Obama hasn't cut Medicare or weakened welfare to work. #Forward

@misty -

Here's the award you've won:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WltdNExOO6k

I am not into awards.

But I think these two will have high blood pressure when they find out:

@Progress2day Have @sykescharlie and @vickimckenna heard that GOP announced today they're NOT spending ad $$ in WI for Romney/Ryan?