If he starts to do badly, all Ryan has to do is turn to the moderator and say, "So Obama went to your wedding. How's that working out for you?"

that comment about Ryan being respectful????? I thought the complete opposite when he turned to Mitt and stated "look im still going to listen to AC/DC highway to hell? for one thing thats were he and all of us with be going if We dont change!!! and he sounds like a Kid making that statement. I feel good about Mitt but not about Ryan...at all If he ever became our President(which i said about dum dum VP We are in worse trouble than We are already. He was chosen merely to appeal to the youth of this country (who 1/2 are probably heading in that Fire pit anyways) So yet another year I will cast my vote elsewhere neither Repub or Dem ...so sad isnt it? Sorry Mitt you have a young punk with a mouth on him. If Mitt can come back some how and show he is the Boss and not his kiddo maybe I will change my mind....

Nunya, how was what Paul Ryan said to Mitt Romney, as you indicate, disrespectful? What he said is true and we need someone to speak clearly and truthfully. Ryan is extremely smart and has a lot of respect from republicans and democrats. If you are going to vote, make it count. Threatening to vote for neither Romney or obama is wasteful and a childish comment.

Nunya, Get a grip he's 42. Hardly a young punk, unless you are as old as Biden.

So he tells him to continue to lie. Yes Be yourself

That statement just shows that Paul Ryan does have a humorous side, and it doesn't mean he was being disrespectful. Some people here are are way to thin skinned, loosen up people, have some fun.

Walkers State-41st on list of Job Creation/growth of new Business. Yeah, be yourself Paul! Walk out on Joe Biden. That'll work,

Greg –

Yes, Ryan is only 42-years old, chronologically; he is about 14-years old emotionally… you probably have not seen this petulant child walk out on a TV interview or watched the Fox interview with Wallace…

Ryan is very thin-skinned, over-emotional and extremely undisciplined, just the type of kid I would want to see one-step away from the presidency…

Now, besides all these positive characteristics, he has a strict, radical, extreme ideology…

One of the facts that you seem to be missing is that nobody is calling for the 'one percent' to pay no tax....

True. R and R are looking for no tax increases on the 1% because, God knows, they are the job creators.

And we would like President Obama follow through on his undying request for fairness, which to the rest of us means EVERY AMERICAN pays taxes. No matter how little. EVERY AMERICAN pays taxes. By your measure you're creating a country of underachievers and believers of the status quo. Why in the world would you punish people for being successful. THINK AMERICA!

Stop drinking the coolaide! First of all, 45% of income producers pay NO taxes and it's not those in the top 1%. It's the lower income individuals that pay nothing, in many cases they pay nothing and get some money back. Do you homework before making statements that come straight from an Obama ad.

totally agree with you. Ryan already walked out of an interview when asked that question after answering the the people in the inner city have to be TAUGHT discipline, morals and work ethics. The top 1% will have it all and WE, the average American will pay for it. If Ryan has it his way, the US will become another tax shelter haven for millionaires. He already expressed that opinion.

Can't get away from those talking points can you.

Is being a tax haven for millionaires such a bad thing? If rich people immigrate to our country to avoid paying high taxes in their home countries, I see that as a gain since they will be paying their taxes here.

It's similar to how the high corporate tax rates of the US is encouraging companies to pay their taxes to countries overseas at a lower rate. I'd rather lower the US tax rate and have the businesses paying taxes to our government...

Actually Cowdung, one fact you clearly are missing in that cave of yours is that is precisely what Romney is proposing. He is proposing a reduction of capital gains to ZERO. And since most of the 1 percent -- like Romney -- derive their income from capital gains, they will will effectively pay zero in taxes.

Where do you get your information from. Oh yeah the obama gutter.

Phil:

The capital gains tax would only be eliminated for those earning under the $200k threshold--not for the "1%"...

CowDung the problem is he's been all over the map on his capital gains proposals.... that is his wiggle from he previous position.... this is why you have Ryan and Romney talking about working with Congress. That is the exit "Oh, it was Congress that proposed this, not me. I just went along with it." Trust me if past is prologue, this tax cutting that is going on will not be followed by balancing on anything... it is just to increase the deficit and then have the temerity to talk about oh, we can't afford social security and Medicare anymore. that is all the republicans are interested in. they want to destroy both those programs and they have wanted to do that since the 1980s.

Think Phillip! Has obama or biden the blinderer given the American people ANY facts about they will get this country out of the hole they have put it in? The last four years are not exactly a record to run on and please, obama fans, don't bother responding with the sorry excuse that he inherited it! He failed and lied and is silent other than to call Romney a liar.......he needs to step aside and let Romney and Ryan put this country back on its feet rather that sitting on "its" ass waiting for more handouts!!

Wow...where did you get the fact that the wealthy pay no taxes??? You are dummer than Obummer and Jo Jo the Clown if you believe that. Get some facts together and think a little about what spiews from your mouth. After the killings of American people that the Obummer administration has caused in Syria and Mexico I can not for the world understand why anyone would even consider voting for them.....God help us

Romney actually isn't 'all over the map', Phil. Romney has never proposed a zero tax rate for the rich like you are claiming.

It's the 1% that pay most of the taxes! Romney also said that he would close some of the loopholes that they currently use, so the wealthy would be paying more than they are now. Education and services to the blind, etc. will improve under a Romney-Ryan administration.

Elaine, I suggest you read the entire article about Ryan walking out....the interviewer actually ended the discussion which is when Ryan got up and left. Also, I believe Ryan explained in detail that if "we" allow America to become a "tax shelter haven for millionaires" we will increase our tax revenue.......do you people actually ever really listen to the actual facts or wait to be spoon fed half truths from obama's media.......

They Pay no tax?????? are you out of touch or just stupid. The wealthy pay about 75-80% of the tax burden in this country. How big was your tax refund last year?????..thought so you got it all back.

everyone knows what they are going to cut to give the One Percent continued tax breaks. The reason our country is in such bad shape is because the VOTERS do not take responsibility in voting on the right person to serve in this country. Any working person no matter the party affiliation knows that RICH folks are going to look out for getting more money and control of your lives. What RICH Billionaire care about the working folks. That is why laws had to be into effect to curb their taking advantage of working folks. We would still have children working if not for those regulations. Some folks just don't understand we all have to stand firm and build this country and get the right folks to run it for us. No one working for billionaires will do it.

Phil Ryan -

NOT ACCURATE!

The GOP has wanted to destroy Social Security since it began in 1935; they have attempted to destroy ALL SOCIAL SAFETY NET PROGRAMS, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps and everything else, since these programs came into being.

In reality, the GOP is clearly inappropriately named; it should be called TAP, the TAKE AWAY PARTY.

That is the total mission of this party, from healthcare rights for women, people with pre-existing conditions, children’s food programs, collective bargaining, forced arbitration on legal claims – they own the arbiter, access to state courts, CAPS on liability damages, etc., they have all but purchased all republican state legislators, mayors, judges, and they are now working hard on buying the appeal courts judges… finally, they will install 3 more Clarence Thomas’s – the only tanned man in America who hates tanned people – on the Supreme Court, and they will be able to TAKE AWAY… EVERYTHING!

Yes, and the fact that Obama worked for a high powered legal firm in Chicago evicting poor people from their homes, should be brought up as well. Remember, Obama is a multi-millionaire as well. Let's NOT forget that most of Congress is in the top 1%, including the President and Vice President!

No. And neither will the purchase of his new factory in China, the closing by Bain
of Sensata In Freeport, IL so these jobs can be sent to China. The good governor should stop shouting about China and what he's going to do to them when he's elected. It would seem China is counting on Mr. Romney's win. And Russia? Our
greatest enemy he talks about? Talk about how Bain took more than 33% of the tobacco industry in Russia with money borrowed from U.S. Taxpayers.

Lol @ Delores and Charlie. Baine this, tobacco that. Brainwashed zombies spitting out what they hear.

Good little slaves, aren't you?

Give us some facts instead of doing the Obama attack-like statements. Lets not get Al Gorish about this. His father was the tobacoo king of the south.

get educated everyone pays taxes i am a cpa and i surely can tell you everyone pays taxes, the middle class pay more, cause they pay for the poor and the rich being doing taxes for over 30 years, "everyone pays taxes"

You guys seem to have studied Obama's campaign ads and the liberal media propaganda quite thoroughly, it is a part of you now!

Charlie, you think China is counting on Romney's win? Did you know that the Obama campaign is systematically exploiting loopholes in the law to raise millions of dollars overseas - a huge chunk of which is coming from the People's Republic of China? This administration is illegally pursuing foreign contributions to fuel their run for the presidency. Is America's democracy now for sale to the highest bidder?

Why should it be brought up....It is NONE of your business....

Why is is evil to succeed in America? Why is it any of your business how Romney makes his money as long as he pays his taxes. So far ther is no investigation by the IRS so I assume that his returns are all in accordance with the laws of the land....Yet you seem to have some mysterious way of knowing that Mitt has done something wrong....accusations and lies...that is all you have.

Fools, Complete Fools. Romney paid $2.8 million (14%) in taxes last year. Don't get upset with the idiots that made the tax laws, get made at the guy who paid what was legally required. Romney was succesful at Bain. Don't get upset with the idiots that bought all those Chinese products, get made at the guy who made money off them and just him. What about all those investors like your pension, your mutual fund, etc?

That was a great article, Delores! Some will turn a blind eye to these facts. I'm hoping for true transparency from Ryan. I wonder how he'd like to have to get a real job?

Speaking about taxes; I read that 77 tax breaks expired at the end of last year, tax breaks that are quite helpful to the middle class! Somehow this must be Bush's fault....

mrvrnj421 -

Even Jack Welch said you have "cooked the books" on that fabrication!

Thanks, Bucky. They told us they would not be bound by facts. This has been established.

People are tired of Obama's attack ads that have no substance. A President who has no record can not talk about his accompishments! Where do you think the $850 billion came from for the failed stimulus? CHINA!

All Biden and Obama need to do is take those two to task and don't be nice... Recall how Bush, Palin, and Romney all came out aggressively swinging during past debates. These right-wingers play to win and with a very smug type of hubris... But they lie threw their teeth all the time, i.e., that Iran-Contra scandal was behind Reagan’s victory over Carter while he and Bush #1 should have went to prison over it. How many biased right-wing blog cites did Romney reference during the last debate? …Get after it! Be brief and to the point, but do in fact get after it… For example, talk about how biased Harvey Rosen is in his "Growth Distribution and Tax Reform" article. Talk about how he loosely defines “Micro Behavior” and in a very biased manner. Talk about how he tries to frame his biased argument with pseudo-academic discipline. Talk about how he actually supports Obama's premise when examining that income category between $100 thousand and $200 thousand dollars per year... Talk about how he tried to hide his bias and entitled greed behind two dollar words, but while that binding academic discipline ever looms above. …What does Rosen do at Princeton? That sure didn’t look like any type of academic work to me…

All Biden and Obama need to do is take those two to task and don't be nice... Recall how Bush, Palin, and Romney all came out aggressively swinging during past debates. These right-wingers play to win and with a very smug type of hubris... But they lie threw their teeth all the time, i.e., that Iran-Contra scandal was behind Reagan’s victory over Carter while he and Bush #1 should have went to prison over it. How many biased right-wing blog cites did Romney reference during the last debate? …Get after it! Be brief and to the point, but do in fact get after it… For example, talk about how biased Harvey Rosen is in his "Growth Distribution and Tax Reform" article. Talk about how he loosely defines “Micro Behavior” and in a very biased manner. Talk about how he tries to frame his biased argument with pseudo-academic discipline. Talk about how he actually supports Obama's premise when examining that income category between $100 thousand and $200 thousand dollars per year... Talk about how he tried to hide his bias and entitled greed behind two dollar words, but while that binding academic discipline ever looms above. …What does Rosen do at Princeton? That sure didn’t look like any type of academic work to me…

Really Bucky, I though he said "just be yourself"......

Or be just like Obama and make excuses for failure

Love to Bucky!!!

Bucky -

All the people have to do - IF they are at all interested in the TRUTH, and we KNOW they are NOT - is to listen to every word that comes out of Lyin' Ryan's mouth tonight and understand, like Willard, they are 180 degrees from REALITY!

Brenda -

Really Bucky, I though he said "just be yourself"......

IF Lyin' Ryan is himself you will be seeing the worst Pinocchio EVER!

Here's Paulie!

Lyin’ Ryan has served 14-years as a Wisconsin Congressman [$174,000 per year], lost the Delphi plant, Chrysler and GM plants for the constitutions in his district, sponsored and passed (2) insignificant pieces of legislation, named a Post Office and amended an IRS code to add 39¢ excise tax to each arrow – in 14-years! – and has only memorized one phrase, “people want to cling to their guns and religion” should only be debating Big Bird in their basement…

Debates are severely structured, staged theatre, a silly, costly, unnecessary waste of money and time…watching 2 lying politicians attempt to out-pretty and out-lie each other…just how dumbed down can we get?

Et tu, C. Sanders; Romney and Ryan - the lying bastard masters!

What is with you liberal nitwits? You can't acknowledge that Obama and Biden are empty chairs? And therefore the other guys must be lying. Obama proved he can't think for himself and needs a TelePrompTer and media filter to cover that he only has sound bite levels of knowledge even after four years. If you admit Obama and the gaffmeister are incompetent, you'll feel better!

George W. Bush was the teleprompter president. That's why there were so few press conferences compared to his predecessor. Not a criticism, I've written before that the words of the president are heard around the world and mistakes are costly.

Don't knock the teleprompter. It's there to help and if Romney were elected, be sure he'd be using it too.

Bren - There's a time and a place for everything, but whether Bush used a teleprompter or not is irrelevant to today. Like saying JFK used one in 1962 - who cares?

When Obama had to use a teleprompter to speak to a classroom of sixth graders that should have been a wakeup moment for America. Point is, Obama without a TelePrompTer proves he's an empty chair and that should tell the American people not to support him.

FBSport -

Yeah, I agree with the great FBS [Full Bull Shit] port!

When Bush sat in the classroom, reading "My Pet Goat" for 7 minutes, while American was under attack, with the book upside down is just how we religious conservatives want our president to be.

No tele anything for us!

Bren:

Before you accuse GW Bush of avoiding press conferences because of the need for a teleprompter, you may want to consider that Obama (despite his pledge of 'openness' to the press) has been averaging fewer press conferences per month (and per year) than GW Bush...

...and contrary to your claim, GW Bush also had more press conferences than his predecessor (210 to 193).

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/newsconferences.php

Great comment. Cry babies when they are surprised that "we the people" aren't buying @#$% anymore.

Excellent comment, FB. You hit the nail right on the head!!!!

Sounds to me like what Obama's doing, doesn't it? Why didn't he call Romney a liar during the debate? Cause he couldn't back it up with any facts, that's why.

Brad -

You made it to 2nd grade?

And Obama did a great job as Jimmy Carter!!!

Mitt was not trying to be like reagan, you saw the real mitt its to bad you don't have fox news you would know the truth about obama he lies on abc cbs nbc obama has no cloths Did you know obama took the bullets away from the marines at the embassy. Did you know his Harvard grades are sealed. Did you know his social security number come from new England. Has Obama every applied for a ss number?

SORRY CINDY OBAMA DIDN'T EVEN DO THAT GOOD, OBAMA KNEW HE COULD'T NOT LIE BECAUSE MITT WOULD CALL HIM OUT

I agree with you mary. I don't know if Walker has taken PBS away from the east side of WI, but Tim Cullen put out a great documentary about Janesville that contains heartbreaking facts. We've lost so many wonderful teachers. Our UW Hospitals are superlative. We cannot afford anymore losses. We need bargaining rights returned for keeping our best employees in our State.
Perhaps PD Ryan will react like he did in this interview during the debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo3xQ8mZpBU&feature=player_embedded
Walker will shake your hand while grabbing your wallet with the other hand. We deserve much better. Bring back our State, before President Reagan. Re-regulate big banks. Keep the Affordable Health Care Act. We will keep our best doctors & nurses.

WOW! Fox News , That's a laugh Republican News Network don't you mean. Their so RIGHT They should have a Elephant for their logo!

Obama has serious flaws. He thinks the other side can be swayed by truth and evidence. They cannot. Stopping Americans from voting, owning the voting machines, and have the audacity to say anything with an arrogant tone will take this election. It is time the right wing finishes what it started. Romney should win. It has been established that we admire, and just love love love the super rich no matter that they got that way by destroying our once beautiful Republic. I do, however, resent the way they pull God into this. Some of our religious leaders have noted that no true Christian could vote for these guys.

What is he attaching Romney too? Or did you not proofread your post?

Replace the word attach to the word attack. You all know what I mean.

LSmith, what ads are you looking at or hearing? Romney has no plans, he's the one that does all the attacking. Having Romney for president will be the end of America the Free and the beginning of America the Suffering. Romney lacks intelligence. During the debate he spit out more lies than Pinnochio, do your research. When asked about his healthcare plan, he quoted 2 items which is on Obamacare already, then said, "...but let's move on." Really? You're kidding me. He has no plan. He's clueless on everything.

winnie-pooh

is this all you've to offer nothing.

Mas, you shouldn't show your ignorance on a public forum as obama and his side kick continue to do. The truth is, Romney and Ryan are speaking the truth and obama can't handle it....the debate showed that when he swaggered on the stage and expected to win with his arrogance and ignorance of what this country is currently experiencing....he had no answers, where were his puppet masters and his teleprompter.......

LS?? Oh really? Nothing to offer huh? Obama is the ONLY ONE fighting to keep your SOCIAL SECURITY. Lyin Ryan has already said "WE the (R) party wants to REFORM (change) Social Security, to those who are MORE educated & FINANCIALLY FIT." NOW?? He & Mitt wants to replace it with a VOUCHER. a 1 time NON CASH REFUNDABLE VOUCHER. Obama has created 4.6 MILLION JOBS.. BUSH: costed 800,000+ jobs & ran Social Security into a BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS of dollars in DEBT!! By granting that 1% $25,000+ a month & a $300,000+ a year. PER PERSON in Social Security. Next time LS??? POST SOME DAMN FACTS, NOT WHAT YOUR OPINION!!!!!

Magic1620 wrote: "POST SOME DAMN FACTS, NOT WHAT YOUR OPINION!!!!!"

How about you first Magic?
You know, not something you pulled out of thin air (or somewhere else not so thin), but a legitimate source with quotes and links. I am especially interested in finding out where you got "granting that 1% $25,000+ a month & a $300,000+ a year."

That sounds more like a Solyndra deal.

The american People must be smarter than using personal theories and Look at the picture. Some or most American Voters like to use personal attachs instead of trying to figure out the facts. Corporations will be running this country faster than you think. What RICH PEOPLE care about you LSMITH??? Their are to many like you that have put this country in the shape that it is in. Is the Koch Brothers going to personally pay your way? It is stupid people like you who do not look at where America is goong and you are being used because you don't think right.

LSmith, President Obama does have so much to offer America, and I suggest you take the offer of a Pell Grant so you learn more about the truth. You actually have this backwards. Try reading other news sites. Good luck.

mas, you have your president mixed up with mitt, Obama is the one with the good crease in his pants.

mas, you have mitt and obama mixed up obama is the one with the nice crease in his pants, every thing you said obama is doing. I have watched every talking point of obama for three years on cnn and fox, fox is better balanced. I'm sorry you can't afford cable.

magic1620, Obama keeps saying that ,but if you knew the facts he has created only 125,000 jobs over 400,000,000 jobs have been lost

Marvin Miller -

"magic1620, Obama keeps saying that ,but if you knew the facts he has created only 125,000 jobs over 400,000,000 jobs have been lost"

That's a great post, Marvin! We have 310,000,000 people in America, but President Obama lost 400,000,000 jobs?

Keep up the good work, Marvin...

Terry - would that be advice or you just being you? How about advice for Obama and Gaffe er, er Biden?

well said thank you sara

Right Kate. Please see the You Tube Video about Paul Ryan and AYN RANd and where he gets his phiolosophy. Go to You Tube and you will find out why Paul Ryan take away from the working folks and give to RICH. Americans must realize these are their hard earn dollars going into the Federal Government coffers that the Ryans are giving away. If we all start thinking this way we can make better decisions instead of some folks on here making personal judgements. It is their money, mine and yours they are spending on Ciorporation and the Corporations not paying their fair share. They want to blind our thinking with negative ads that feature distortions and most folk believe these distortion. Koch Bros spending millions on ads what are getting back. Our Money and Breaks.

Great comment Kate! Thanks for posting honesty.

Kate - um, well, if you really think about it - actually, if you replace Paul and Scott Walker with Obama, you have a more compelling and honest statement.

Well said, Murry. I couldn't agree with you more. All of these screaming liberals are so brainwashed that they can't see or think for themselves.

Right after Ryan stops lying!

MURRY -

Well, it is always refreshing to hear from someone with an open mind...

Once again, you are trying to make an argument using truth and reason. While everything you say is correct, please don't expect these folks to use the link you provided. Just open your email to see dozens of lying "facts" sent by the same people who are writing some of this hogwash.

LESS PAY FOR DOCTORS , DR ARE LEAVING MEDICARE NOW.

Thank you for posting that. Finally someone with facts besides me.

jlfenton, how do you think health care providers are going to react to when payments are reduced? I know some doctors that have stopped taking patients because they are on medicare and they lose money on them. And if the hospital or doctor is getting less money from an existing patient, how are they going to make up the difference? By lower the quality of care AND passing the cost onto other patients and their insurers.

As far as Medicare Advantage costing more, yes, about 12% more. But, it is a different program with different benefits that may fit into someone's lifestyle better. For example, their is a copay instead of a deductible. And the feds are working to get the costs more in line with traditional Medicare.

The fact is Obama did take 716 BILLION out of Medicare with just a hope that his "reforms" can make up the difference. Unfortunately, it will be our retirees that will pay the price when we find out his reforms will not work!

jlfenton -

STOP giving these "I have already made up my mind" folks, FACTS!

These folks get all their FACTS from Willard - who's own wife worries about his mental well-being if he is elected president - Lyin' Ryan, the Bible and their guns...

This comes remarkably close to informing them that the earth is not flat, like a dinner plate...

You really do have to be careful here!

The Anti-Alinsky -

You really do deserve the "Anti"; I have never read a more negative person...

The program has taken step ONE, and the ANTI says, IT WON"T WORK! THE SKY IS FALLING!

The 716B cuts to hospitals, doctors and other services has just started; furthermore, doctors have been limiting Medicare patients in their practices for well over 15 years, as they could always get more money from the private insurance providers. [And, the 20% reduction to doctor’s pay through Medicaid has now been waived by CONGRESS for the 7th year, only adding to Medicare costs.]

Obviously, we are going to need more doctors, clinics, hospitals and healthcare workers… so both Medicare and Obamacare reforms are, sit down, ANTI, JOB CREATORS!

You have to be BLIND not to see all the hospital construction - job creation - around SE Wisconsin!

Additionally, Lyin’ Ryan also takes this very same 716B out of Medicare in his budget, only he gives it directly to the insurance companies so they can pay higher CEO salaries & bonuses, while increasing the individual cost to beneficiaries…

Obama’s plan is hopeful, progressive, with corrective measures built-in, and will work, if given a chance.

I can just hear you now, talking to the Wright Brothers, IT WON”T FLY! THE SKY IS FALLING!

John Manuel, I was told that if people stand really close to you, they can hear the ocean.

Actually? I'm reading lots of knuckleheads comments praising Mitt, knowing he'll stab them in the back. Wow? What has this country become?

MAGIC1620 & John Manuel are very up to date with their research & knowledge. Your comments are well stated!!!

John Manuel -

For Willard and Lyin' Ryan, "up is down". Are we getting votes? OK. Well then, "down is up". Is that working to get more votes?

AMEM TO THAT JIM

you are correct, but trying to wake up the obama sheep can not work but thanks for trying

My sister was laid off in February of 2012 and has put in over hundred application for jobs she is overly qualified for, just too work and no luck; so don't state people are lazy and not looking. The employer's are not hiring trying to keep the unemployment rate up until after the elections, even though they're hurting themselves not hiring good educated overly qualified people, so they can fill justified with sending job over seas. (You talk about drinking the Kool-Aid) My company sent an entire department overseas this year and would have sent another department but the company they hired can't perform the duties so they had to scale back, but will start pushing them overseas after the first of 2013.

Jim: you have been suckered into the machine language usng verbage such as entitlements. If you work and receive a pay check you will notice the deductions for various FICA, Medicare,,State, city, federal, social security taxes. Social Security is put into a trust fund for you to draw once you become a certain age. This is an insurance and it accumulates until you reach that age and it is your right to get your money. The spin words that are used confusing some folks who do not understand or read the facts. The spin words are useful when they want to give your dollars to the RICH. Another deduction is used when you lose your job and that is the FICA that you pay into and your employer contributes. These are due individuals when they lose their jobs. So write facts not fiction make yourself look smart instead of being.......

@Jim Smith, you need to get out more. shward1947@yahoo.com, knows first hand, this is not fact. I know of many people looking for work, and can be over-qualified, but not enough jobs available yet. I'm sure there are some people that do not want to work, but President Obama will not just sit by and let this go on and on without trying to find employment.
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have been pushing the same old set of falsehoods and a five point plan. To distract from their tax plan that would raise taxes on the middle class, Romney and Ryan are holding up this five point plan as a clear way to create jobs. But as independent economists have noted, the only clear consequence of their plan is “more harm in the short term” and slowing the recovery. This is fact.

Jim Smith -

Jim, I'm sorry we kept you chained up in the basement for the first 20-years of your life. Dad.

And did anyone notice how small it was....take another look and compare obama's lapel pin to Mitt Romney's....

Yes, and he only wears it when he wants to "act" presidential.

And now folks we will have the great flag lapel pin debate! REALLY! is that what this has come down too. GEE I am going to vote for the guy with the biggest flag pin. NOT !

yes, why not he's america why do others decide where you're born.

micen57, I think you are missing the big picture.......and the subtle message.......

Al, small minded thoughts don't get this country moving. Are you going to make it better or be small minded??? Hope you don't reach retirement age or have an older person who needs to go to a nursing home or you have a illness and you need care or you are at the brink of foreclosure. Be on top of the issues tht affect us all.

Brenda -

Well, Brenda, you know bigger must mean Willard is more PATRIOTIC; I have 666 American Flag Pins on my Lapel... I WIN!

I also wear 333 crosses and always carry 111 Bibles...

It's Optics... nothing more than THEATRE!

No wonder we elected BUSH TWICE!

Believe me, I don't think Illinois needs an ALEC governor. Walker's cost us millions already because he puts his special interest agenda before his constituents. There are investigations, court filings on Open Meetings law violation, misdoings in the Milwaukee County Executive's office, voter ID challenges, etc.; $20 million in new interest charges because of debt he restructured in order to fool Wisconsinites that he had "balanced" the budget, etc. He also accessed millions in mortgage settlement funds to fix a budget hole.

And if college grades are so important to you, remember that Scott Walker is also a college dropout and I understand had a "C" average. So perhaps you'll want to revisit/revise your wish. My great-great grandfather's favorite saying was "Be careful what you wish for!" ; )

Who imported jobs overseas? THE CORPORATIONS! why DID THE CORPORATIONS IMPORT JOBS? tO TAKE YOURS AND GET CHEAP LABOR! Who gave the RICH the BIG TAX Breaks. Who are putting farmers out of plaNting? Who starts WARS?, Who is suppose to take care of the men and women who are injuried in the WARS? Who Give the Corporations TAXBreaks? This started LONG AGO?? Now what are going to do about it? fOLKS HAVE TO WAKE UP NO MATTER WHAT PARTY THEY BELONG TO!

Dee - so sorry about Bren. He has acute ALEC disorder brought on by severe anal retentiveness brought on by shallow cognitive psychosis.

Hopefully, you will soon read some drivel from Keith. The Liberal mantra drips from his keyboard like some decomposing algae foam.

@Dee Bren hasn't been feeling well lately. The doctors were told that the release date from the mental hospital was too soon.

Dumb aS a Fox: Clinton sent the jobs to China by granting them Most Favored Nation Status. It took time to build all them factories to take American Jobs, but the chickens have come home to roost.

Dee -

You see, in America we actually vote, not "kick the pants..."

Now, if you don't like your state, vote to change it or more to Iran where you probably belong.

Don't come to Wisconsin, as the only thing dear Walker did was move our debt around to a different set of accounting departments, credits cards and said, "We
have a balanced budget, jobs for everyone, now, worship ME!

Craig -

I always love "the chickens have come home to roost" phrase. it is so new, conveys so much... I remember when FDR was saying, The chickens..."

Lyin' John Wilson: Thank you so much for your thoughtful insight.
Nevermind that part of my comment that was factual- apparantly even YOU can not dispute that Clinton screwed the Country over.
You really should vote for Romney and Ryan to make up for your stupidity electing B. Hussein. Omama.

It is well documented Ryan is smart as a whip, and has a great sense of humor. And I can vouch for that in person. But I can't vouch for you. Probably not much there, anyway.

Sandy Moore, don't you realize that there are enough people to hate in the world already without your working so hard to give us another?

Sandy Moore -

He'll probably try and invent one on stage; you will not like it anymore than the no-personality he has now... he does have Bibles and guns though...

GearHead -

And, the IQ of a "whip" would be?

The IQ of a whip would be much higher than your single digit, Lyin' John Wilson.

AWD - good call. She has the high cheek bones.

AWD -

AWD reports that, once out of his cave he's going to "come home to roost."

Gicw what the hell & where the hell did u buy your education?

wow, with a name like nabil al-murabit, if that is in deeed your real name, you should check your racist remarks.......

Where is Keith with his racist theatrics?

Is this anything like the previous the sky-will-fall scenarios that other Republicans had painted before Obama was elected? You're forgetting an important detail. Republicans said from day one, that their job would be to make Obama a one term president. As a matter of fact, there is a book by Robert Draper ("Do not ask what we do") which makes mention of an "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz. The list consisted of Senior GOP Law Writers who literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy. Paul Ryan was among those in attendance.

You actually owe Obama a debt of gratitude that he was able to do such amazing things that presidents before him could have only dreamed of. And like Ole Man River, the economy keeps rolling along - And with no help from any elected Republican legislators. And we should reward your party for obstructing and putting party ahead of the people? That would make us all crazy.

George -

Is your last name really Bush?

You Omama supporters are starting to lose your minds. Name one thing that moran has done as President?

uhhhh, and how is it that either candidate controls those costs? the president must control the cost of sneakers, too, right? outrageous how expensive those are now. it's not nike's fault, it's obama's fault.

It will only get worse if Obama gets a second term. You ain't seen nothing yet.

Blame that on cal. I live in pennsylvania and I use fuel perks from my grocery store and my last fill up for 30 gal was 1.89 per gal. Our cost is 3.77 and has come down from 398 in the past month. Sorry Guy I feel your pain. Gas will never be the same and drilling will only let the oil companys and koch bros sell to the highest bidder. Gas and energy are controled by the greedy 1 % and thats the fact. Do we want to give them more control again THINK and I want things to get better for you.

THE GOVERNMENT IS LETTING THE OIL COMPANY SHIP GAS OVER SEAS, THIS IS WHAT DRIVING GAS PRICES. THE LESS WE USE THE MORE THEY SHIP. IF THE OIL COMPANY CARED, THEY WOULD LOWED GAS EXPORT, GAS WOULD DROP LIKE A ROCK.

Blame commodity prices on the Federal Reserve. Bernanke's insane inflationary policies are driving us all into the poor house. The man has to be fired now!

I know how you feel, Chase. I used to live in Santa Barbara California and it's a beautiful place. It just costs more to live there. But you are right...6 dollar gas is outrageous. I am so glad to be in the paradise that is Wisconsin.

You need to blame BIG OIL CEOS that are friends to the HOUSE members who did not want to investigate them for those prices. The House and Senate do the investigations not any President. Write your Representative and ask them to investigate why BIG oil keeps increasing prices. It is sickening to have adults to not know how their own government works and it is clear folks don't understand the positions of each chamber. Blame Blame and you are not doing your job. Yell at your Representative and Senator.

Greg -

Says the boy still attempting to get out of his crib...

marvin miller -

Don't tell these red state cretins that!

They want an oilrig next to every house in America; they don't understand that the more oil America produces, the more the oil companies can sell to China, India and Asia, and get 3 to 4 times the PROFIT there!

What, as vulture Capitalists, is their incentive to sell it to America for less PROFIT?

Lyin' John Wilson: I take it you never had Economics 101? It covers supply and demand. When you finish High School, I am sure you can get into a community college to take the class.

And where did you get all this information....exactly how is Mitt Romney responsible for raided pensions, destroying companies, forced unemployment, welfare, etc., have you taken a look at what obama has done to this country since taking office....the community leader should admit he has failed and move on like he said he would when he took office....I believe he said he wouldn't run again if he failed....whose lying now.......

Mary, your right on. romney is the poster child for whats wrong with America. An unfair tax structure, offshoring, outsourcing, attacking the middle class, womens rights, the elderly, children, education, social security, medicare will all be attacked under a ryan budget. And lets not forget, ryans budget is built on tearing all these things apart. We should all fear a romney presidency because his policies and those of ryan are even worse than what bush and the repubs did last time they had power. Obama led us out of the worst recession of our lifetimes with less than zero help from the republicans. Historical levels of obstructionism and the use of the filibuster. The republicans drove this nation off a cliff and have done all in their power to keep us there. They have hurt this nation just to sit their prince, their silver spoon fed spoilt rich brat, draft dodging chicken hawk vulture capitalist in the White House.

Mitt that greedy bastard, he only gave $4 million to charity last year. This proves that Mary has a clue.

@Brenda -- Yes, what has Barack Obama done to this country since taking office? Let's see, he has slowly created the jobs that were lost in the Great Recession, and the stock market is at a four year high -- almost back to where it was before the plunge.

If you don't know what Bain Capital did to companies under Mitt Romney's direction, you haven't been paying attention. It was very profitable for Mr. Romney, but not for his workers who were let go and rehired for less in salary and benefits or those who were simply let go. The US taxpayer did end up having to cover the pension funds of some of these companies while Mitt took bonuses for himself.

MARY TURN ON FOX NEWS AND SHUT UP KNOW THE FACTS MITT DOES NOT NEED OR WANT TAX RELIEF FOR HIMSELF OBAMA IS THE ONLY ONE SENDING JOBS OVERSEAS AND WANTS TO RAISE TAXES 1 TRILLION DOLLARS COSTING TAX PAYERS 20,000,000,000 FOR GM 90,000,000,000 FOR GREEN JOBS. MARY YOU ARE A SINGLE WOMAN THAT TUNES IN TO LOCAL NEWS STATIONS THEY DO NOT TELL YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD CABLE TUNE IN TO RUSH ON THE RADIO.

@Brenda -- The private sector has regained over one million jobs since June of 2009, when the President's policies first kicked in. That, unfortunately, has been partially ofset by a loss in public sector jobs, but you guys are all for that, right? The Dow was below 9,000 on the day Barack Obama took office. It is now over 13,000.

You're seriously going to tell me that the government did not have to bail out the GST Steel pension fund after Bain bankrupted the company?

@Randy1949 The Economist magazine reports that 87% of all the new jobs in America in the last 6 months have been part time. This is pathetic. I think our government needs to re-evaluate our trade policies real soon. That's right- Obama only signs new trade policies, he doesn't necessarily read them.

Brenda -

Think BAIN!

Willard got his loans to load up companies with debt through... I got it, your bank account. He sold the stocks on these companies... to you. When the company went bankrupt... you paid off the creditors. When the pension plans on these bankrupt companies were emptied out to pay Willard... you picked up the slack. [Actually, the USA taxpayer did... while everyone but you paid for it!] When the people from these bankrupt companies were fired and had to go on unemployment... you were gracious enough to pick up all that cost, certainly not the federal & state government!

Stop getting your academic degrees from the University of Willard...

Greg -

WRONG!

Willard paid 2.25M to the Mormon Church - designated as a charity by the IRS - and he HAD TO DO THAT! The church demands a 10% tithing from each member, IF you want their power and influence behind you.

Further, he gave an additional 1.75M to the Mormon Church - which he withheld from declaring on his 2011 tax return - so he could effectively "keep his promise that he paid 13-14% all his life in taxes."

He will amend the 2011 taxes, add-in the 1.75M on that 2011 amended tax return, and end up paying and effective tax rate for 2011 of 6%! We, of course, will not know this, because he certainly will not - paranoid liar that he is - be showing us his amended 2011 tax return... what a GIVING fella!

Randy: He is adding jobs? We need real jobs, not Government jobs that dole out food stamps. Bain Capital is a part of the stock market, the market is up because of companies like Bain finding ways to earn a profit that you so deeply dislike.
Real jobs were outsourced due to China getting MFN status from the US- the American Corporations who outsource to China you dislike. But you never even once have laid the blame at the feet of the person who is reponsible: Bill Clinton.
I don't understand how you lefties can claim it is all Bush's fault while you get on your knees for Bill and Barack.

If you feel that Social Security and Medicare are blessed and wonderful things, then why would you not want them there for future generations?

Social Security and Medicare ARE very inportant to all of us. No one want to see them eliminated. We want to see them saved! The systems are failing and something needs to be done SOON to fix the problem. Anyone who works more than a year (4 qualified quarters) has paid into the system, and is contracturally entitled to receive benefits.
In the private sector you can do the same with annuities- pay a portion of your earnings until retirement age and then receive payments at retirement. If the Insurance company defaults on its obligation- the courts will go after them and fine them!
I would rather see a small cut or adjustment made to save the system than see it go broke and default on every American!

THE ONLY THING BIDEN CAN DO IS LIE, HE CAN NOT TALK ABOUT THE LAST FOUR YEARS, I FORGET HE DID SAY THE MIDDLE CLASS HAS BEEN BEAT UP BADLY THESE LAST FOUR YEARS, SO YOU SEE HE CAN'T TELL THE TRUTH.

Craig-the GOP won't co operate on that scope of yours-privatize with Wall Street & Big Banking...aren't we all lucky the SSA was under Fed, control in 2007-08.

Mr King: I am very familiar will Wall Street, and I do not believe in SS privatization.
Had it been privatized, only those who decided to gamble with their retirement money would have taken the hit.
When was the last time anyone heard, "if you invest in the market, you could lose it all"?

Jim Holland -

Other than the superfluous references to the "invisible man in the sky", I do tend to agree with you.

Although the picture of Biden engaging in cannibalism on national TV might prove entertaining, the miniscule, petulant child would probably only furnish one bite for Joe…

Craig –

I have no doubt that both you and the GOP want to save SS and Medicare in exactly the same way the Navy SEAL TEAM 6 saved bin Laden…

You have fought to destroy these programs, and ALL social assistance programs for 77-years, and [EUREKA!], all of a sudden in 2012, YOU WANT TO SAVE THEM!

Craig, of course, I believe you…

Privatization of SSI was proposed to be an option, they were never going to force you to invest in the market. The reason for it was two fold:
1) Those who were not adverse to risk could invest a portion in the market for potential of higher returns.
2) More funds going into the market helps prop up the market when a downward trend is forecast. Simple supply and demand.

John Wilson: You couldn't be more wrong about me wanting SS to be destroyed. I have stated several times that it is a Trust Fund. I have payed into it for 30 years, and I want it to be there for me when I am qualified (entitled). I would rather see it tweeked in order to save it from insolvency, and I have a vested interest.

I have been living off of my savings for well over three years due to disability. I was forced to apply for SS benefits by law, and even them I waited fourteen months before I complied with the law. I have a disability case pending due to ALS and MS. The Government keeps delaying my hearing in hopes I will be dead before they pay me any of my benefits.
If I am fortunate to live several more years, I would prefer to have 80% of my benefits rather than 100% of nothing. So yes, I support some changes to Social Security in order for the Trust Fund to honor it's contractual and binding agreement.

yeah; like the 47% that was taken out of context right,OOOHH u mitt dumney.

tom you are 100% right. have a great day

CLENT EASTWOOD THOULD HAVE HAD A EMPTY SUIT DRAPED OVER THE CHAIR

the chair has been empty because obama has been too busy playing golf and basketball and taking vacations and attending rallies to raise money.......

I'll be honest, I didn't understand the symbolism either. Obama has accomplished quite a bit in his first term, so it can't mean MIA.

Compared to his predecessor, who had taken more vacation time than any other modern president by 09/11/2011 (including FDR, a three-termer), Obama's been exemplar. He's about in the middle of the pack, vacation-wise compared to previous presidents.

Even if Obama had not taken one day of vacation...he has not done a damn thing to help this Country. He has however; helped the Muslim Brotherhood gain control.

Then who are you voting for?

I think having a job is more important than anything... then the rest of the hard working people won't have to PROP them up.... charity is one thing... but welfare and food stamps are something else.... DOUBLED in the last 4 years... now that's IMMORALITY... you don't help people by destroying their pride and self respect. We need a program that WILL PLACE EVERYONE ON WELFARE in a respectable job... then reduce that welfare accordingly.... THAT is what is helpful... handouts just make them even more dependent.

deb, have you forgotten there's a recession on? One could argue about the immorality/amorality of corporatism as easily as one can denigrate the individuals who take government assistance to feed themselves and family because of recession-related unemployment. Everyone does need a respectable job, sadly many of ours have gone to China, India, etc. I think you need to take a broader view of the situation.

Bren.......look we know there is a recession and nobody is saying its immoral for the unemployed to get welfare and food stamps, the immorality is why!! I don't think Romney has anything to do with "Made in China" on a lot of products sold here in America....that been going on for the more than 50 years I've been on this earth!! And as for jobs going to India, are you talking about the help lines and customer service lines that one calls and then has to struggle to understand the conversation....I think you know what I am referring to.......and then there is the electronics industry.......don't be so naive. 7.8% unemployment, please don't insult our intelligence.......read between the lines. Wow, "the immorality/amorality of corporatism" now that's a mouthful.......are you opposed to people making money, making enough money to invest, making enough money to retire without the help of social security.......I think you are the one that needs to take a broader view.......

Brenda, in response to your interesting comment that you don't think Mitt Romney has anything to do with "Made in China," why don't you take a look at this link (and sublinks). http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/10/10/consulting-firm-led-mitt-romney-advised-chinese-and-russian-officials-the/12dn81bXZ5iZvmQWJp66LI/story.html

In September, the Boston Globe reported that Mitt Romney has between $500-$1 million invested in GOME, a Chinese company currently being sued by Microsoft for selling computers with pirated software. Also, in 1998, Romney was listed as the controlling person of Brookside Inc., a Bain affliliate. Bain purchased about 6% of interest in Global Tech Appliances, another Chinese company that exports washing machines, etc., to the United States.

Or ask him about Asimco. About 10 years ago Bain bought two camshaft factories in Michigan and closed them down by 2007. Now Bain's company Asimco makes those same parts to export to the U.S., receiving Chinese government subsidies that Mitt says the U.S. should be cracking down on. Which is it? Oh, and he personally has over $2 million invested in Asimco through Bain funds that are also invested in other Chinese companies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us/politics/as-romney-repeats-trade-message-bain-maintains-china-ties.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

I don't think you really understand your preferred candidate very well...

Brenda -

Here is a little FYI for you: ANYONE can make investments... even those who are currently paying into SS; you do not need to opt out of SS to invest.

Secondly, I know 3 people who are collecting from annuities, stocks, interest on capital gains AND SS. Their average NET monthly income is over $6,000.

deb, obama is too busy playing golf and basketball.......he hasn't done his homework and in fact hasn't been to "school" hence the empty chair....he's too busy running the roads raising money money money and running his mouth....he can't even speak for himself....needs his teleprompter and puppet masters! obama just wanted to add 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to his resume.......

joshua campbell –

President Clinton did sign NAFTA – which was a Republican created push and fought for program.

President Bush (44) was the great HOME OWNERSHIP society guru, who literally tore down all of the regulations on Wall Street, Fannie & Freddie to get every embryo in America a home.

We are 16T in debt not 17T.

Once your FACTS are incorrect and you follow those obvious errors up with “Obama is a socialist/ communist and Muslim and rocket ships", you have simply lost all semblance or logic, rationality and sanity.

Enjoy Lah-Lah Land…

Biden's way of getting votes is telling African Americans that Rommey and Ryan are "Gonna Put you Back in Chains!" That will work...yah right!

scooke, maybe because he didn't....I hope biden the blunderer addresses this point also because Ryan will be ready for it. I don't who is a bigger embarrassment to this country, obama or biden....well, maybe clinton who is a disgrace.......

No doubt. Every subject Lyin Ryan said pointed out to be a damn LIE. But then again. That seems to be a past time for the ENTIRE (R) party.

i'm a 1%er i pay my fair share and if it helps the AMERICAN way of lie i'll pay more.

clopez, really omg, no wonder this country is a mess.......obama bows down to muslims, were you around when he was elected. obama and his cronies are the biggest racists here....read up about the history of slaves and the democrats and maybe you will change your mind about the rights of minorities.......does obama's economical plan work? actually, what is obama's economical plan? Please.......

don't u mean Repubsnublican.

who is this RYAN/romney character anyway; seems like RYAN is marching to his own drumbea,t and romney, WELL EVERY TIME SOMEONE LETS GO OF HIS HAND SOMEONE ELSE GRABS IT.pray for him plz,he's lost.

KC -

May I please have some of what you are drinking?

Have? Buy some on your own!

that's why the mormon is always on his knees repenting,he doesn;t know when he's telling the truth either.

c. eley You are right about the Democrats' scare tactics. Everyone is a victim and everyone is suffering! I am sick to death of it!

The ONLY people that just want things handed to them with NO QUESTIONS ASKED, are either Illegal Immigrants, or that 1%. Of course you DO KNOW that bill BUSH made granting that 1% $25,000+ a month & a $300,000+ a year.. PER PERSON. Sending Social Security into a BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS of dollars in debt..right. BUT??? Lyin Ryan (who also used to be on Social Security) wants to REPLACE OUR Social Security, with a 1 time NON CASH REFUNDABLE VOUCHER. They also want to do away with Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare. To ensure that 1% does NOT have to give up those BUSH TRILLION DOLLAR TAX BREAKS FOR AMERICA'S MOST WEALTHIEST AMERICANS. Which has already costed TAX PAYERS $10 TRILLION!!! As Lyin Ryan said on CNN last year. "WE the (R) party wants to REFORM (change) Social Security to those who are MORE educated & FINANCIALLY FIT." Then there is the (R) ran GOP that idiots like you voted in. That GOP has filabustered ANYTHING Obama has proposed!!! So? I think he did damn good for a GOP refusing to agree to any damn thing Obama tries. Obama: 4.6 MILLION jobs created. BUSH: 800,000+ jobs LOST. Mitt?? Same policy BUSH had, FEED THE GREED. Next time c. eley?? POST THE DAMN TRUTH!!! NOT what you think!!

@c.eley...You need to get your history straight. The Carpet Baggers were members of the Post Civil War Republican Party. The defeated South was primarily Democratic and remained so until the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party giving the Southern States to the Republicans. They were dominated by Moderate North Eastern Republicans until Ronald Reagan. Since Reagan, the Republican Party has moved steadily to the political right. The promise of 40 acres and a mule was made by the Reconstruction Republicans and they were the ones who reneged on the promise.

Michael McClusky -

Might I suggest that you are just sick...

@John Wilson Could it be that you are just blasted naive about the Democrats' strategy? Heck, they certainly don't have a record to run on, so why not terrify the electorate into thinking that there is a Republican ghoul hiding behind every tree?

Really?? I read different Chucky. 4.6 million jobs created, last month over 100,000+ jobs created. Funny how you DON'T remember that, or a (R) ran GOP that filabustered ANYTHING Obama proposed. Wow Obama tries to eliminate the 1% getting anymore PROFIT than they are already getting. But the ENTIRE (R) party wants to ENHANCE IT by cancelling the poors Social Security INDEFINATELY!!! Wow?? And you cheer that on too??? Sounds like Mitt & Lyin Ryan has already MANIPULATED your mind to the point of NO RETURN. If you hate the country so much? LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And we are in the greatest recession since the Great Depression. Look at unemployment numbers during the Bush 43 years.

Oil is a commodity.

Bren.......yes, we are most definitely in the greatest recession since obama took office....it has gone from bad to worse.......how dare he insult the American people he's fudging the truth, about unemployment and the economy which he has not improved and unless he acknowledges his failure and makes room for someone who can take care of business this country is in deep doo doo.
FYI, one definition recession is "a significant decline in activity across the economy, lasting longer than a few months".

Yes, Brenda. I suggest that an accurate review of Obama's performance must include the point of entry as a baseline. What were the circumstances when he took over? The economy was sliding over the cliff. Through that lens, it makes sense that things went from bad to worse. However. The freefall was stopped, and though slow, recovery (climb back up) is taking place. Also remember TARP-that started under the Bush 43 administration.

It suits some folks to have people forget that the Great Recession started before Obama took office, but patriots prefer to make up their own minds by doing their own research, right? ; )

Bren: You are correct that the recession started before Obama took office. This is the result of sending jobs overseas, mainly China. Many businesses here were simply unable to compete with labor rates equal to a bowl of rice per day. Those business owners were desperate to save their life's work and investment, so they also offshored the jobs. You attempt to blame Mitt for doing this, but who opened the door to do this?
Admit it was Bill Clinton who destroyed our economy!

Yea, actually Obama is trying to keep YOU getting your Social Security as YOU are entitled to. Mitt & Lyin Ryan wants to REPLACE IT with a 1 time NON CASH REFUNDABLE VOUCHER. Obama has created 4.6 million jobs already, over 100,000+ last month. Mitt?? Created MILLIONS of jobs, is true. But did you read the FINE PRINT Caring33?? Those jobs were OVERSEAS. Caring?? How about BAIN?? OR TAX EVASION?? Bain had death squads. Al Capone was nailed for TAX EVASION. What? We should treat that crook Mitt like a celebrity?? Hell No!!! BOOK HIS A$$, and let him ROT in a FEDERAL PRISON!!!!

I feel like I am on a bad trip trying to read your posts Magic

I think Magic be trippin'.

Yea. Unlike the interview with Lyin Ryan. Ryan can't walk away from questions HE don't wanna answer. ESPECIALLY on Social Security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The "VOUCHER idea" is something you would be able to opt into. No one would be forced to go into it, poor or not.

@Brenda -- Mitt Romney did not use the term 'scum bag'. However, what he said was both condescending and inaccurate. He began by saying that 47% of Americans don't pay federal income tax. True enough. However, he went on to say that these people thought they were victims who were entitled to food, shelter and medical care, and that he would never convince them to take personal responsibility for their lives.

His mistake was equating working people who for whatever reason owe no federal income tax with people who are 'dependent' on some kind of government handout. It played well with his audience at the time, but it appalled some of the rest of us who understand that you can be working, taking no handouts whatsoever, and still not quite owe income tax because of various deductions and credits. Those of us in that category (I no longer am) are understandably nervous of having those deductions reduced. It makes quite a difference when you're barely scraping by.

MAGIC1620: You are an idiot and a coward, you are the ignorant one.

Brenda -

I think the most accurate assessment of the election should be taken by Willard’s own final statement on his 47%, “I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG.”

This is the only TRUTH he has spoken during his entire campaign.

He is COMPLETELY WRONG FOR AMERICA…

do you know anything about Mitt Romney's history in "his" state.......if you did, you wouldn't have just made that ridiculous comment.......

You should google Willard Mitt Romney and his family. You will see why he doses not talk about his heritage. The Romneys was run out of the US. Read the history!

Linda Gi -

MA is very biased... they like the TRUTH!

I don't think Chicago wants him back.......I heard he did a bad job as a community organizer!

And it wasn't even a real job! No wonder he doesn't know how to do his new job, he never worked a day in his life. After 4 years of screwing up everything, it is time to give him the pink slip- maybe then he will comprehend what unemployment is like.

$25,000+ a month & a $300,00+ a year on Social Security to that 1%. LOOK UP FACTS BEFORE SHOOTING YOUR IGNORANT PIE HOLE!!! It's in US TREASURY, with BUSH's plans for Social Security...dumb A$$.

"$25,000+ a month & a $300,00+ a year on Social Security" PER PERSON...my bad.

magic 1620. people that use the bad words in their comments just shows how dumb they are. clean up the dirty talk and people may take you serious . i actually agree with most of everything post. just dont like the foul stuff

lee: I don't know how you can understand what he means, I think he is on something that twists reality.

I'm independent, I voted for Obama last time and will again because initiatives in place need time to percolate. Because of what he has accomplished in extraordinary circumstances (extraordinary financial crisis, extraordinary obstruction in Congress, extraordinary national/international security issues), I believe he deserves a second term and will vote accordingly. Thanks,

Bren....and how long do you suggest that "we" let these initiatives (whatever they are) percolate? That's a big gamble and one that I'm not willing to take.

@Bren This 'percolating' notion of yours is really wishful thinking. Economic indicators suggest that the coffee machine is broken. Brenda is right, the risk is too great to keep the same repair man.

I'm and independent. I just always vote for conservatives.

Chet, you forget the Congress and Senate pass legislation. The President onlly signs or vetos. Your Congress has stalled every JOBS bill that was put forth and other legislation that would have benefited the American working people. Did you forget that the R held up unemployment in the HOUSE the McConnell's and John Boehner. So get your facts straight. I like reading from folks who are intelligent and not petty. Hope you don't get unemployed because if you listened to Romney tape you are worthless and in 47% although you have paid into FICA thru payroll deductions. Stop the petty nonsense.

That percolation is a sign of explosive Diarrhea coming soon!

Chet Lipton -

Gee, Chet, do you ride a horse like Bush too?

Here is the direct GOP Playbook:

We really messed up the economy under Bush, darn near put us in a DEPRESSION.

The tanned guy didn't clean up our mess fast enough.

Okey, just give us another shot at this, we can fix it fast.

Brenda -

Brenda wants everything, yesterday, children are like that; no capacity to understand long-term macro processes and postpone the ever-increasing lust for instant gratification…

You might want to say how you and your professor knew what the outcome would be in a hypothetical situation that had not been tested, genius.

All of the wealth in the USA, everyone's savings, investments, retirement accounts, etc....Still doesn't come close to the $16 Trillion of debt.
So if they took every last penny from everyone, including the working poor, we would still be in financial troubles. We also would have no money and no social programs because of no funding.

Craig -

Glad you found your LSD...

The land, buildings, military hardware, ships, subs, aircraft, nukes, oil reserves, alone, all owned by the federal government would cover our debt at least two times over... of course, I'll have to double check the figures, as they came from Lyin' Ryan, but I will get back to you...

Lyin' John Wilson: Re read my post. Real estate was not included, neither was boats and nukes. The point to be taken is the Debt can not be payed down by taxing the hell out of Americans. The Gvt. could tax everyone at 100% and the problem would not go away. This equates to a spending problem, living beyond one's means via credit cards. Total up all private monies stashed everywhere- it pales in comparison to the debt.

Craig -

I am sincerely sorry for your physical problems, my twin brother died from ALS 2-years ago... so I know more than a little about that, and I wish you the very best...

"All of the wealth in the USA, everyone's savings, investments, retirement accounts, etc....Still doesn't come close to the $16 Trillion of debt."

The reason I threw most of the kitchen sink at you for that was "All of the wealth in the USA", and the close of that sentence... "etc...." really left the entire door open all the way... Wealth is more than money, savings, investment accounts, and retirement accounts... and I am sure that you know that too; for sure you know that now...

A more precise phrasing might have helped...

John: In my zeal to make a point that SS is important to me, I spilled my guts.
I regret that, but it is what it is.
I am sorry about your twin brother, I know it has to be hard from your perspective as well.
I tend to be overly blundt and sometimes do not word things as precisely as I should.
I am taking a lot of meds for symptom controll, LSD is not one of them....not sure if that is good or bad.
;-P

If those millions of people that supposedly can't get health insurance are at retirement age, why can't they get Medicare?

Wisconsin has BadgerCare, and it is income dependant. The less you earn, the less you pay. The funding for this program was increased by the Walker Admin.

DungCow -

Retirement age for Social Security - early retirement - is 62.

Medicare needs you to be 65.

Craig -

BadgerCare currently has a waiting list of over 523 people... you just keep taking everything Walker tells you to the bank, and soon you'll be number 524...

Sounds like a pretty specific situation for 'millions of people'...

@CowDung...Many older Americans are forced to stay in the workforce to retain their employer healthcare until they reach the age of their 65th birthday. This recession has been devastating to older workers who are approaching retirement age and have found themselves unemployed. If one loses their position after the age of 55, it is very difficult to get a new position because of age. If they are able to retain their healthcare policy through the COBRA period they are lucky and usually paying the complete premium, very expensive. Also, older people are more likely to have preexisting conditions that would not be covered immediately through a private policy even if it could be afforded.

sward1947: Employer based health insurance can NOT exempt pre-existing conditions. This isn't a new law, it has been that way for years. Your friend should seek the help of an attorney if what you are being told is true. People with pre-existing conditions can change employers and continue to have coverage- they just can not become self employed and purchase individual health coverage. Then the condition is exempt, or worse yet- they are declined.

@Craig -- How long has that policy been in place? I had a pre-existing condition exempted from coverage the last time we had health coverage through an employer. I was covered for everything else, but not the treatment I needed, because it had been diagnosed and I had been taking medication for it prior to the employment.. This was back in 1995-1996.

Randy: The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 covered this issue. You fell through the cracks by a matter of months. That really sucks.

Lyle Ruble -

Although COBRA is extremely expensive, as you suggest, it also ends after 18-months... then you are at the mercy of the JOB CREATORS, I mean private health insurance companies...

COBRA can be extended an additional 18 months, for a total of 36 months. There is always HIRSP (health insurance risk sharing pool) available through the State. If you are disabled, there is medicaid available to you after 1 year of disability.

What about the rule of FEDERAL IMPRISONMENT FOR ANYONE WHO COMMITS TAX EVASION??? Beings? If you and I were THOUGHT to have done that, it would be INVESTIGATED...IMMEDIATELY!! 10 years and nothing on the 9 years. That's funny? Obama is MORE than willing to release his. Sounds like Mitt is a CROOK to me. Or why wouldn't he show his TAX STATEMENTS??? Maybe? Because he DON'T HAVE ANY? Call him what you want. They NAILED AL CAPONE for that EXACT SAME DAMN THING!!!! So?? Because he's a (R)?? That makes him some kind of damn celebrity??? NO, just makes him another CROOK that broke FEDERAL LAWS, and thinks his FINANCIAL STATUS should keep him from being PROSECUTED!!! Where's that damn saying? NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW??? REALLY??? (R) party had a $700+ BILLION BAILOUT PLAN. WE the American people did NOT get to vote on how OUR TAX DOLLARS WERE SPENT. Right there is EXTORTION. The (R) party trying to end our benefits without giving US a vote on that..THAT IS EXTORTION!!! Then to send our troops over so EXXON makes TRILLIONS of $$$ by STEALING someone elses OIL, that is clearly RACKETEERING!!! Wanna hear MORE rules the (R) party is breaking or trying to break KEITH?? And this isn't accusing. These ARE facts!!!!!!!!

Actually Keith, that strategy is termed "Rovian Projection" (yes, a nod to Karl Rove). Accusing your own opponent of your own weakest point. Puts the opponent on the defensive and deflects attention from your own shortcomings.

@MAGIC1620...Why are you shooting at Jenny? I can't see where she has challenged you.

The comment from @MAGIC 1620 was deleted. It was insane.

Jim Price -
The comment from @MAGIC 1620 was deleted. It was insane.

And you received your psychiatric credentials from what approved Medical School?

Do you have a DSM-IV classification regarding just what type of "insane."?

Please just say you "censored" the response because - your personal opinion - you didn't like it...

S.Fox: Clearly your masters degree has done wonders for you. Try speaking to us in college next time. Your ruse using 5th grade English skills are not working.

Ayn Rand had a great vision? If we are all supposed to focus on our own "rational self interest," to what purpose has every ancient and modern culture established laws for appropriate/common behavior, provided alms, work programs, etc.? For what purpose is having faith that humankind can aspire to evolve? And for what purpose would belief systems tell us to "Love thy neighbor?" No, there's nothing in Ayn Rand's teachings that a child couldn't learn from watching two birds fight over a worm.

Not to mention the fact that Ayn Rand first tried to name her "philosophy" Existentialism, then realized the name was already taken. John Paul Who?

; )

Bren -

We are all engaged in a true form of "rational self-interest" whenever we perform an action, indeed, when we become whatever we choose to become. There is nothing wrong with” rational self-interest”, and I would, emphasis the “rational” word in that phase.

Had Ayn Rand stolen Existentialism from one of the truly great thinker's and writers of that genre, such as Jean-Paul Sartre, no one would have heard from her… and we would not be dealing with a philosophy (?) that mainly appeals to people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder or college freshmen/women…

Most kids leave Ayn Rand behind after the book report because her me-first ideology doesn't resonate with people of an age to appreciate that getting along with people makes life easier. Cooperation. Teamwork. Respect.

It's a ridiculous argument anyway because it's well known that Rand didn't follow all of her own philosophy. She ended up being a Medicare and Social Security "mooch." The "rational self interest" part, yes. But "collectivism" was just fine when the "collective" was benefiting her.

Bren -

No one always follows ALL of their philosophy; most of the Christians I deal with daily seem to be just auditing Christianity... the same applies to non-Christians and all religious folks that I deal with... I guess that simply means that humans are not always consistent or rational... nothing ominous there...

Nick I want to give you praise for your comments. You said it best. I am just amazed how some of the folks writing are so immature and not thinking. It is important as you say that we all must look at the issues that affect us all. If the American People would realize they are the BOSS maybe they will come to their senses and do the things you outline. As you know the knowledge ones will suffer along with those who don't wnat facts when anyone is elected and not for the PEOPLE and JUST for the ONE PERCENT. Your are so right and thanks for your post.

Yup Nick. No racism here.

Nick:

Isn't the call to 'return to Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions' a rather bigoted statement? Why do you have such a hatred for non-believers?

Ideally everyone should agree to play by mutually established ground rules. But in our government, the dollars of special interests take rights and the level playing field away from every other American. If we don't start dealing with this soon--the downward spiral--economics, bipartisanship, regulations--will continue.

Nick Poulos –

Yes, Willard & Lyin' Ryan both need to be defeated; Lyin' Ryan TWICE!

Beyond that, we have very different rationales...

I would argue that ALL religion is pernicious, limits man’s ability to discover and know himself and develop his full human potential, in addition to propagandizing him through social and church pressure to succumb to something no rational human being would ever allow for the sole sake of human inclusion in a group…

No, Nick, we need not GO BACK and “re-instill Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions upon which this nation was founded…” In the first place, this nation was not founded by these three traditions. [Please acquaint yourself with the Tripoli Treaty of 1796-97] One of the most revealing sentences found in this document is "As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion.”

Our forefathers were all over the place on religion, agnostic, atheist, deist, Christian, etc.

This is 2012, and the greatest growing religion in the USA is: NONE! That is correct; 20% of Americans, and growing, when asked their religious affiliation, say NONE!

What we need to do is teach individuals that there is a SOCIAL CONTRACT, AMONG ALL HUMAN BEINGS ON THIS PLANET… AND THEN ENFORCE IT!

For the record I am actually a person of faith, and a real person for that matter. I maintain my anonymity in order to protect myself and my family from the 'crazies' on the internets.

I just find it a bit condescending that you don't seem to think that non-believers have the same sense of morality as those in the Jedeo-Christian-Islamic realm. Celebrate diversity and appreciate people for what they are, rather than judging them for their beliefs or lack thereof.

@Nick Poulos & CowDung...I think that a status of faith is not relevant to the discussion. In this nation we have a generally accepted morality and ethics; and, most attempt to function within the scope of such a framework. The questions of faith or lack of faith is an indirect ad hominem attack as well as a red herring.

I know many take exception with Ryan claiming to be a Christian, yet also a Randian. This is again not relevant to his suitability or non-suitability as vice president. We need to look at his politics and policies. That is where the decision must come down to.

Mr. Ruble, as you know, Ryan's Randian beliefs are his guide, he has confirmed this. I take exception to his claiming to have Catholic beliefs and yet to have produced a budget plan in keeping with Catholic tenets, it's offensive, disingenuous, and that's why U.S. Catholic bishops denounced it.

I think if a politician attempts to sway people by playing the religion card he/she should be measured by it because they have introduced it to the discussion.

I don't hear Ryan speak of his Catholic beliefs very often on the campaign trail, or using his faith to defend his budget proposals. Most of the stuff I hear about Ryan and Romney's respective religious beliefs is coming from the left. Can you help me out with a link, Bren, to show me where Ryan was the one who has introduced his beliefs into the discussion?

Link from a blog (with sources) from the "lefty" Washington Post about the disconnect between Paul Ryan's budget and the Catholic church: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/figuring-faith/post/ryans-budget-approach-challenges-bishops-at-odds-with-catholics/2012/08/20/5723d8d6-eae9-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html

Paul Ryan claims his Catholic faith was the inspiration for his budget plan:
(blog with links/sources: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/paul-ryans-faith-based-lesson/2012/04/27/gIQAH76TlT_story.html)

Interview link: http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/mp4/Brody_PaulRyanBudget_041212_WS
Discussion of how faith plays into Ryan's budget begins at 3:58.

Republican nomination acceptance speech: " The man who will accept your nomination is prayerful and faithful and honorable. Not only a defender of marriage, he offers an example of marriage at its best. Not only a fine businessman, he is a fine man, worthy of leading this optimistic and good-hearted country. Our faiths come together in the same moral creed. We believe that in every life, there is goodness, for every person there is hope. Each one of us was made for a reason, bearing the image and likeness of the lord of life."

Link: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/29/transcript-paul-ryan-speech-at-rnc/#ixzz291uEfD5m

Cow, we really don't make this stuff up.

Thanks for the links.

It sounds to me as the only time he made the claim that his faith was the inspiration for his budget was during an interview with the Christian Broadcasting network--no surprise there. Isn't it SOP for politicians to project one's faith when speaking to a religious audience?

The rest are about how the Church is being critical of him and his budget proposal. Not exactly Ryan trying to bring his faith to the forefront of the discussion...

Not sure what the nomination speech has to do with anything--he's speaking in pretty generic terms rather than touting his Catholicism...

You may recall that Pelosi and Kerry were also criticized for their politics by the Catholic church...

If I had time, I'd find more examples. The fact that he also appeared on CBN and spoke the way he did suggests manipulation to me. His comments about his and Romney's faiths "coming together in the same moral creed," and "Each one of us was made for a reason, bearing the image and likeness of the lord of life" I found interesting. Those familiar with the basic tenets of Catholicism and Mormonism are well aware that the doctrines are dissimilar. I agree with Mr. Ruble that religion should not be relevant; but when it appears I believe it must be examined. I consider these remarks to be misrepresentative.

Chuck, how do you come to blame the Obama administration for not working to protect Americans? Osama bin Laden was taken out during the Obama administration after Bush 43 stopped looking for him. America's supportive role during the Arab spring was not appreciated by pro-regime forces. It's no surprise that there were countermeasures. Concerning the ambassador, his assassination was a tragedy. But these people should be celebrated for their courage in entering volatile countries where American military support is far away. May we focus instead on how the people themselves tried to help? Many terrorist acts take place in the Middle East. We can't blame the people for the outrageous acts of tyrannical governments and religious extremists, any more than we can blame the Obama administration for a thoughtless video.

Please don't suggest that people "get the hell out of America." My family celebrates 400 years on this continent within the next 20 years. Even then, the nascent colonies were filled with abundant diversity. That's what sets us apart, even if we don't all agree, all the time.

I teaRepublicans just shoved us off the cliff.

America was guaranteed going over the cliff on the night of the election, for we know Obama will not cut spending. The national debt will be over $20 Trillion by 2016.
Thi administration is not cutting anything.