Well folks, we now have a choice between stick it to em, or give it to em.
Anyone But Baldwin!
Anyone But Barry!

Barry. Code name for that black guy.

The Junior Senator from Wisconsin. Go Tommy!

Sandy Pasch puts her house for sale and Yippee! , Whitefish Bay becomes a better place to live. Sorry to the parents in the Milwaukee portion of the District, probably less school choice for you!

This went down pretty much as I predicted. 4 horses were too many in this race as it got too segmented and played into Tommy's name recognition. Certainly not my top pick but I will certainly support him over Baldwin who simply doesn't represent anything I believe in. I did see Tammy speak tonite and she really lacked focus and any excitement as she read off note cards( Seriously it was very flat as her base wasnt even into it )......Thompson wins this race.

The moron factory must be working double shifts to produce the stream of Progressive idiots posting on The Patch.

Well, well Tommy is the one. Noticed Greg and red and the rest of the peanut gallery are up and about. Tommy will try so diligently to join up with his “Party First”, USA second mentality. He would then be just another useless senator signing away his abilities to leadership before he even gets to sit down. Host of the “Party First” requires it. Sorta of like an allegiance to the host, rather than to his country. He would join the rest of the sheep to Nay, Nay, Nay on command. What a waste of government. Tommy would only be there to serve his host of the party. Might as well send a parrot or recording machine save yourselves some money.
His party supports outsourcing.
Republican senators “stood firm with Mitt Romney and his 1 percent lobbyist friends” when they successfully filibustered the Bring Jobs Home Act yesterday, [July 19 2012] . The bill would cut taxes for U.S. companies that bring jobs and business operations back to the United States and end tax loopholes that reward companies that ship jobs overseas.
Hey didn’t we just lose one of our own corporations to outsourcing to Mexico. Want more vote for Tommy.. “Party First” USA second Hoooorrrrraaaaaahhhhh!!!

http://OFA.BO/iG451c Mitts record for outsourcing
http://youtu.be/EQwrB1vu74c Mitt flip flopping on a multitude of issues

Tommy will fool you right wing chumps *which is easy) into thinking he's a conservative and then, should he get in, vote like a centrist.

Congrats to Tommy. I was neutral for this race believing all the time that all 4 were great candidates and would be excellent senators for the great state of WI. I look forward to helping Tommy Thompson, for I know Tammy.

Tammy Baldwin claims she is for the middle-class......just like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, for she has more in common with them than the people of WI.
Tommy Thompson for Senate 2012!

same old same old nothing new to report here

@ Keith Schmitz
"Tommy will fool you right wing chumps *which is easy) into thinking he's a conservative and then, should he get in, vote like a centrist.”

You forget that all republicans must sign in with the host of the “PARTY FIRST” USA second. His vote will be dictated to him by the host of the No, No, No, party of lost leadership. Voting republican is an oxymoron vote for democracy.

@ Keith Schmitz also commented
"Alright. We get it. You're a fascist."

Of course you know that a fascist is a constituent of a government that “incorporates corporation’s to the state.” Which is what Robert’s Supreme Court decision passed as legal back in Jan.2010. A right wing adventure into the past of such political ideologies that failed.

Liberalism is immaturity, cloaked with the pretense of moral and intellectual superiority, look at the failed goofs of this board(Keif, Rube, Et al)

Congratulations Tommy. Take back the Senate and restore sanity to America.

I'm happy that Tommy won, because I'm a huge fan of both high-speed rail and the individual health care mandate. Tommy is yesterday's Republican, i.e., today's Democrat.

So the party of "No" can't seem to find a favorite to rally around only one that they can "settle" on and their best choice is the "anybody but . . . " candidate. Pretty sad.

@ joe perez
"Its okay to cry Taoist, we all know you have dreams of Tammy Baldwin winning and implementing her marxist agenda. Liberal males all cry, let it out."

Joey, joey, joey; I can see you can’t spell Marxist correctly. Dost indicate you have no knowledge of what Marxist is? By your implied definition it would be more accurate to apply that to the republicans. Remember Chief Justice Roberts Supreme Court ruling of Jan. 2010? It makes it legal to “Incorporate” a Fascist ideology to our politics! Republicans have been benefiting from this, with campaign funds coming from a small focal point. 3 times to 10 times in campaign funds to swamp over their oppositions.
Guess where those funds come from? Taxpayers!, that pay the welfare/subsidies of corporations that are in the $ Multibillions. Same corporations that pay zero taxes. Now perhaps you can visualize a TRANSITION [Hint there] of ideologies to our Democracy.

I have to laugh at the Tea Party and shooting themselves in the foot again. If they had run just one primary candidate for Wisc. Senator instead of three, they would not have been stuck with a moderate retread like Tommy.

But they do have that HATE element working for them. Anybody notice how they are not really FOR Republican primary winners, they are more AGAINST the opposing Democrat, and are holding their nose and voting for whoever has the best chance to beat the Democrat. What a grudgingly compromising life they are living.

But haters will naturally hate.

@ joe perez
"Liberalism is immaturity, cloaked with the pretense of moral and intellectual superiority, look at the failed goofs of this board(Keif, Rube, Et al)"

Joey, joey, joey; Having a bad day are we? Liberalism is defined as ;
1. progressive views: a belief in tolerance and gradual reform in moral, religious, or political matters
2. politics political theory stressing individualism: a political ideology with its beginnings in western Europe that rejects authoritarian government and defends freedom of speech, association, and religion, and the right to own property
3. economics free-market economics: an economic theory in favor of free competition and minimal government regulation
4. christianity Christian theological movement: a movement in Protestantism stressing intellectual freedom and the moral content of Christianity over the doctrines of traditional theology

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Your definition is incorrect. Perhaps a nap would help?

joe perez must be a liberal by his own definition and words...calling people making reasonable comments "failed goofs" and by silly name seems quite immature to me, maybe about 16. Can't wait for school to start and the true juveniles are off the board.

@ Walker
"So the party of "No" can't seem to find a favorite to rally around only one that they can "settle" on and their best choice is the "anybody but . . . " candidate. Pretty sad."

They have settled on two candidates on the national stage. Ryan and Mittens. Ryan a back stage politician and a heavy Tea sipper. In the Cronyism versus the peasants. His stature is extreme right wing. He has been referred to as the reversed Robin Hood. Observing his budget plans and Health Care, it becomes obvious he is “the man who would be king.” Here is one example;
He'd give $40 billion in subsidies to Big Oil. His budget includes oil tax breaks worth $40 billion, while cutting "billions of dollars from investments to develop alternative fuels and clean energy technologies that would serve as substitutes for oil.
Notice that these same oil companies that produced record profits, paid zero taxes. Received tax refunds, for each, of $ Multi-Millions. Demand welfare/subsides payments into the $ Multi-Billions as it is now. Ryan wants to increase that? No doubt should the Democrats bulk, he/they would “SHUTDOWN the USA. As has been demonstrated with the republicans hostage/ransom ideologies.
Alternative Green energies to be discouraged for it would increase the Independence of the people from the spigots of the tycoons and robber barons.An article on this subject can be found at;
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=278697&id=48818-18896842-LWo0J9x&t=16

@ Dirk Gutzmiller
"joe perez must be a liberal by his own definition and words...calling people making reasonable comments "failed goofs" and by silly name seems quite immature to me, maybe about 16. Can't wait for school to start and the true juveniles are off the board."

I disagree; Observe conservative defined and see if you can find a niche for him in there.

1. reluctant to accept change: in favor of preserving the status quo and traditional values and customs, and against abrupt change
2. of conservatism: relating to, characteristic of, or displaying conservatism
3. cautious and on low side: cautiously moderate and therefore often less than the final outcome
Several hundred dollars is probably a very conservative estimate.

4. conventional in appearance: conventional or restrained in style and avoiding showiness
a conservative suit

5. using minimum medical intervention: designed to help relieve symptoms or preserve health with a minimum of medical intervention

traditional, conventional, conformist, unadventurous, old-fashioned, traditionalist, middle-of-the-road, old-school
n (plural con·ser·va·tives)
1. traditionalist: a supporter or advocate of traditional ideas and behavior
2. supporter of conservatism: somebody who believes in or supports conservatism

Encarta ® World English Dictionary "OR" perhaps you might find yourself entombed into this defination.

@ Steve ®
"So you will be voting for Tommy"

No sireeee’ bub. I could send a parrot and a recording device to do a republican “Party First” USA second job.
Just have the host of the Tea Party First dictate what he wants for a vote and that is all there is to a republican senator. A party of No, No, No lost leadership. Now their on this kick of hostage/ransom ideology for our Democracy! Juvenile’s to the extremes!

Bernard - OK, I vote for #5 definition for joe perez, who seems to be the old obnoxious Alfred of Patch days past (The phrase "Enjoy your goobermint cheese while it lasts." is indicative) It seems joe is being too conservative by not taking enough of his medication, and seeing his shrink.

Admittedly, I wasn’t pleased that my only democratic choice for Congress is a lesbian but when I look at her achievements/credits I am impressed. Far to lengthily to state in the space provided. Go TO: http://tammybaldwin.house.gov/about/biography.shtml for factual information.

In contrast all you Thompson supporters with your opinioned praise, please tell me what Thompson has done that you find so great to lend him your vote? My memory of his 16 years as governor is that he reformed AFDC into W2 which forced mother’s out of the home into the work force; into low paying jobs which when subsidized with child care, transportation, cost of living, food stamps, and other work related costs cost the tax payer more and the deaths of children in cars when mothers didn’t have childcare and had to work or lose their benefits. He also brought in legalized gambling and the associated social costs and again costs to the taxpayers. Remember when he was appointed as head of the US Health and Social Services? What did he do there? NOTHING and upon returning to Wisconsin wanted to step in as Chancellor of the University of Wisconsin with it’s high paying salary. Fortunately, his application was post the deadline. NO THOMPSON IS NOT GOING TO REPRESENT Wisconsin’s dying middle class. Become informed instead of talking S### and Vote Baldwin a woman with compassion and definitely competent, with a proven track record. Again: http://tammybaldwin.house.gov/about/biography.shtml

@ Bob McBride
"Admittedly, I wasn’t pleased that my only democratic choice for Congress is a lesbian... ************** Why is that?"

Just as “We The People” have to tolerate chauvinistic, egotistic, bigoted, individuals. That’s all part of the melting pot of the USA. Fortunately for you.

vocal local 1
"Admittedly, I wasn’t pleased that my only democratic choice for Congress is a lesbian but when I look at her achievements/credits I am impressed. Far to lengthily to state in the space provided. Go TO: http://tammybaldwin.house.gov/about/biography.shtml for factual information.

Hear you loud and clear. Excellent point. ! Alas when conversing with an addict of ignorance your seeds of wisdom and independent intellect, they will not grow. It will stimulate others that can still decipher from the good, the bad and the ugly.

Dirk Gutzmiller
"Bernard - OK, I vote for #5 definition for joe perez, who seems to be the old obnoxious Alfred of Patch days past (The phrase "Enjoy your goobermint cheese while it lasts." is indicative) It seems joe is being too conservative by not taking enough of his medication, and seeing his shrink."

Now are you being liberal in your medical advice? Are you with the pharmacy lobbyist? Hmm Old and obnoxious is interesting. Commenting from experience?

Taoist Crocodile
"No, I'm voting for Baldwin - I'm just pointing out that there's really no way I can lose."

Like you logical deductions. An intellect and a gentlemen of refinement.

I feel bad for Tammy Baldwin, it's over before it even started. Another bad choice by the Madison Left, but this is who they are!

@ vocal local 1
"Why is that? Because I'm hetro-sexual and have always viewed homosexuality as perversion. I don't care what race or creed my children marry but if they came home with a same sex partner I'd have a hard time accepting. Does this make me a bigot? Maybe. I know that sexual preference is learned and that critical time periods of development are crucial to determination of one's sexuality. Thus, academically I should perhaps have greater tolerance. I'm not there yet and don't know if I ever will be. I do respect the honesty and in the case in hand sexual preference has not seemingly effected ability of performance."

What you know that sexual preference is learned. Is incorrect. Science has already established the genetic code that produces such results in our species as well as others.
Your last statement; “sexual preference has not seemingly effected ability of performance." As to whom are you referring to? Yourself or another? If you say both than I agree. It is the individual and their abilities to perform their duties. Reading a book by its cover is merely an apprehension of the book. To comprehend, one must read to determine its validity.
As to bigot. Read defination and see if it applies. Then you can determine your altruism of your autonomous being in its relation to humanity.

@ Randy1949
"Take care, sir. Fate has a way of teaching us life lessons, and yours may be to have a gay child."

Thank you for your concern for my well being. As to the gay child? Just what is the problem? It is not the Childs problem as it is your problem. That you express it as a problem. I’m inclined to surmise that you may already have a problem. Whether or not you have, or will have, or have not a gay child; You will still have a problem. That is for you to deal with as best you can. The child cannot solve your problem if you can’t. A child being gay is not the issue here. It is within you, that some aberration of your perceptions is distorted.
Heteronomy [ Various external forces such as physics cause and effect or social implications] forces as they effect your ability to define your autonomous being to your humanity, may be one area for you to meditate on.

doug toader
"I feel bad for Tammy Baldwin, it's over before it even started. Another bad choice by the Madison Left, but this is who they are!"

Your comment is paradoxical. You do realize that Tammy is the incumbent? She has established a definitive political policy that all may research and observe. Tommy has one to. With the current political atmosphere people, especially women, are becoming aware of the negative republican policies. If I were to wager that the educated have reached positive parity then it will be Tammy.
National stage of the major political parties is supporting her record as it lends less creditability to Tommy. Observe you have Mittens and Ryanosouras for a major office election. Nuff said there.
Feeling kinda of rambunctious. Must be the coffee.... Oh well, we will see…

vocal local 1
"Oh No Bernard...Genetics is receiving lots of if's and possibles but there is nothing conclusive nor are the tests repeatable in regard to sexuality and genetics. Review your which in the end leads to causal ties and is often very misleading. Were way off track. The focus is VOTE BALDWIN not Thompson and enlightening the opinions of the Thompson supporters with facts so that they vote for who is best for Wisconsin. Facts like post being appointed to the National level of Health and Human Services that Thompson was going to quit. Remember that? Peace."

Sorry but the verdict on genetics has been established both here and abroad. Even unto the Islamic. USA’s method of R&D on various fronts can be corrupted. No doubt. What holds their feet to the fire is that it must be independently verified by other researches‘. Rhetoric does not stand long without physical proof. Failure can result in career's termination or lost of all funding and possible fines.
Yes by all means and ways Tammy Baldwin is the highest probability for a positive return to the communities. As for Peace. Right back at you…

@ Randy1949
"I was addressing vocal local, who believes that sexual orientation is learned, and that may not be the case. There is no problem at all in having a gay child, other than the sorrow I'd feel that my offspring would be facing challenges in life due to society's intolerance. Sexual orientation is not something you get to choose, nor is it something a parent unconsciously does. As for Tammy Baldwin, the only reason I give a hoot about her sexuality is because other people will make a big deal about it."

“There is no problem at all in having a gay child, other than the sorrow I'd feel that my offspring would be facing challenges in life due to society's intolerance”

Yes I can fathom that. As education increases that will subside. Education in my view is paramount to the solution for our USA and the humanity of all. Those that seek to suppress education on any level is a dangerous obstacle to our freedoms of individuality in our pursuits of liberty, justice and happiness.
As for Tammy? Her record indicates strengths that pursues the greater good for all. Tommy not so much….

Looney lefties.....looney losers. None of you have anything new. Ever. Your brain dead and you don't even know it. President Romney VP Ryan awww the sound is sweet music to my ears. The senate controlled by Republicans. Congress controlled by Republicans. The looney lefties are going bonkers. What a sweet year(s) are ahead of us. Bye Bye losers. Oh Sani sak did you check my spelling? Did I do good. Keith get out the bottle for a minute and do Sani's job for him. Check my spelling son.

Starting Point --- 4 Republican candidates, 3 of them ultra right tea party type, Tommy is moderate posing as a mis-understood Right Winger -- 3 Ultras cancel each other out --- Moderate Tommy wins to run against Tammy.

Ending Point --- Going to be Very Close Race between Tammy and Tommy -- upside is that even if Tammy loses, Tommy is such a moderate compared to any of the other three, and understands how to compromise and negotiate, that he will not add to the highly partisan DC gridlock that the Republicans have been engaging in for the past almost 4 years

Tommy will take many moderate votes from Tammy. If you remember the "bell curve" or normal distribution, most people are in the middle. If Tommy wins, I also do not see him being a highly partisan firebrand, and chances are he will not want to go for a second term, due to his age and that he can make a lot more money as a lobbyist, corporate board member, etc. So he will probably be his own man in the Senate, which is, of course, a moderate.

@ Tim
"Looney lefties.....looney losers. None of you have anything new. Ever. Your brain dead and you don't even know it. President Romney VP Ryan awww the sound is sweet music to my ears. The senate controlled by Republicans. Congress controlled by Republicans. The looney lefties are going bonkers. What a sweet year(s) are ahead of us. Bye Bye losers. Oh Sani sak did you check my spelling? Did I do good. Keith get out the bottle for a minute and do Sani's job for him. Check my spelling son."

An excellent example of what happens when one has been bitten by a rabid fox. Blah, Blah and not collaborating structure of substance. Observe those that he deems worthy. Hmmmmm. What does that say about them? Hmmmm

Dirk Gutzmiller
"Tommy will take many moderate votes from Tammy. If you remember the "bell curve" or normal distribution, most people are in the middle. If Tommy wins, I also do not see him being a highly partisan firebrand, and chances are he will not want to go for a second term, due to his age and that he can make a lot more money as a lobbyist, corporate board member, etc. So he will probably be his own man in the Senate, which is, of course, a moderate."

Your dreaming… He would be corralled just as the rest of the republican sheep herd to Nay upon command. Thinks he will use this as a stepping stone to being lobbyist? He would require an external organization to represent. Doubt he would have the savvy to carry that out. Could he be the shepherded some day. No way. A well trained parroting lamb yeah more to his character. A moderate… seriously ? Joke right?

@ David Tatarowicz also commented … on Race between Tammy and Tommy -- upside is that even if Tammy loses, Tommy is such a moderate compared to any of the other three, and understands how to compromise and negotiate, that he will not add to the highly partisan DC gridlock that the Republicans have been engaging in for the past almost 4 years"

Agree with most of everything you commented. “HOWEVER”

Tommy is such a moderate compared to any of the other three, and understands how to compromise and negotiate, that he will not add to the highly partisan DC gridlock that the Republicans have been engaging in for the past almost 4 years

Moderates such as say, Senator Snow of Main [R] last I heard she was not going to run due to the intimidation polices of the republicans, to debate and or vote as she sees fit. Until Republicans demonstrate abilities to debate and compromise as a leadership made up of senators that can vote their voice, I will not consider supplying them with more lambs of any sort. Too much riding on this one. Wall Street versus Main Street USA. Presently Main Street USA is down $ 11 Trillion from the last fiasco.

@ Greg
""Joey, joey, joey; I can see you can’t spell Marxist correctly. Dost indicate you have no knowledge of what Marxist is?" WoW, I wish I had the time to help you with this one."

Thank you for the offer Greg. Long time since I heard from you. Now don’t let it bother you tonight, worrying about your inability to help. I will survive…La De Da DA………… I will survive.

@ Greg The tax code would encourage businesses to start a foreign operation first — by subsidizing the cost of later switching to the United States. In the end, the Bring jobs Home Act was not about American jobs, it was about lining the pockets of Obama's corporate buddies. ?????????

Pretty math you did there, a tad off but I get the drift. Your suggesting they left because of the Tax code is erroneous. As a small business, retired now, taxes were not that high up on the totem pole. Just goes to the consumer. Now there is where you should be focusing. No consumers no business. With Wall Street’s accumulating $11 Trillion losses to our Main Street USA . Consumers evaporated. POOF. Now Obama and Elizabeth Warren with Frank Dodd constructed a regulation that restricts Wall Street Bankers from betting on derivatives which got us into this mess. Now do you think the cronies are going to be tapping him on the back? “OR” would the cronies hire lobbyist to stop that Bill of May 2010. Lining the senators coffers with $350 Million. You probably were not aware of this at the time, as republicans had you diverted chasing tomatoes pickers that are stealing your jobs. Deport, deport.. Rang through the air.
Obama Lining his pockets, with what? You will require collaborating facts, as your creditability was shot the last time we conversed.

@ Greg .
"That UAW news letter really come in handy, when your mind is pickled. The Bring Jobs Home Act would have created an “insourcing expense credit” equal to one-fifth of Corporations constantly move in and out of different lines of business in places around the world. The tax credit would have meant that taxpayers could pay for 20 percent of the costs of dismantling failed foreign units and setting up new but only vaguely related units in the United States."

Lordy where do you get these numbers? 1/5 an 20% get real. Defunct corporations would take advantage of that? GEE glad you told us, think we will keep an eye out for that. Duhhh
How and where is the taxpayer paying for tax cuts to an investment of return plus taxes? Really a few classes in economics 101 is desperately needed for that pickled problem you have. Try to actually read some BOOKS on say, Liberal Free Trade Markets, couple that with Darwin’s evolutionary theories. If you have the time, try some John Rawls and Emanuel Kant, or John Lock. That last one you would like.

@ Ima Hippee
"Ben - "Same corporations that pay zero taxes." Um, GE for $200 Alex. The same GE who our benevolent Obama hand picked jobs czar (Jeff Immelt) who also moved jobs out of the USA. Ummm. Gee Ben."

Um Oil for 300. Top Ten oil companies that paid zero taxes. Received tax returns into the $Multimillions, each. Receive welfare/subsides into the $ Multibillions. Same oil companies that Ryan will be seeking to give $40 billion in additional subsidies to Big Oil. His budget includes oil tax breaks worth $40 billion, while cutting "billions of dollars from investments to develop alternative fuels and clean energy technologies that would serve as substitutes for oil."
"Ryan Budget Pads Big Oil's Pockets with Senseless Subsidies," Center for American Progress, March 20, 2012
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=278697&id=48818-18896842-LWo0J9x&t=16
As for GE check out the new solar plant they are constructing in California. Will be up and operational Dec. 2012. Possible new roll to roll ink injected solar panels to be produced.

@ Ima Hippee also commented on .
"Ben - keep pouring drinks for Keith."
Don’t holgart that joint there Ima. Is this all you do. Make some purple haze bumper stickers. Focus drifting problems?

I wish Hovde would have won.

That way we could have had a clear choice:

Wall street parasite neo fascist kill the poor vs. stereotypical bleeding heart liberal mansions for bums..

@ Dirk Gutzmiller also commented on

"Better Tommy than another Ron Johnson, the Headless Horseman."

What value is Tommy if he is just going to be corralled by the host of the
“Party First ”USA second. and dictated to Nay, Nay without leadership other than his host. That’s a wild hedge bet . Baldwin is a sure bet to break up this Hostage/Ransom ideology of the republicans. Just illuminates the lack of leadership of the {R} senators, that were elected to serve their constituents. Their Tea party host, to be second.
Otherwise your headless horseman could be realized if it’s a republican going into this non leadership role.

@
Brian Dey
"Anybody that still believes in alternative enery is either not t understanding that you can't Pouring billions of dollars into companies like Solyndra won't change that fact."

Billions into Solyndra? Incorrect. ½ a billion is closer to the mark. Most of your examples are fringed with absolutes and incorrect numbers of substance. Presently there are two parabolic solar arrays producing 500MegaWatts {Equal to a coal generating plant], per day one for Los Vegas and the other is in death valley supplying electricity to a southern California utility company. 2 more under construction. No toxic waste for our health. That to helps in cost factoring. Thousands of tons of toxic materials from one coal generator per year!
Now the Arabs know their oil reserves are drying up and so now they are using their deserts for parabolic solar arrays. Europe is getting in on it to. Within a decade they will be able to produce all of the energy that the Arabs require and 20% of Europe’s.
It has been estimated that 10,000 sq. miles of the Sahara desert could provide all the energy of the world supply. Now what about our deserts? Hmmm.
Now that is just what parabolic trough solar can do. Oh as for bio fuel. Corn will soon be replaced with algae. More efficient than corn. Check out San Antino N.M. where they voted out their coal plant and are going 100% Green. Finacing was just approved to go for it. Yes we can chants ring out through their city.

@ @Brian I think there are situations where alternative energy is a solution, but maybe not on the scale you are talking about. My dad has had a solar energy panel on the house I grew up in since 1982. It's well over 100 years old. But his energy bill is like $30 a month compared to hundreds a month when he had an oil furnace.... not all alternative energy is bad. I think the alternative energy cars are starting to get to a reasonable price point where it makes sense to buy them.

Point well taken. One little tid bit I could add here. Advancement in solar panels are going through the roof. Future solar panels won’t take up ½ the space and will be flexable. LOL you could even wear them? Presently however. Your Electric Vehicle idea is correct [EV’s] are rapidly coming to market. Nissan’s leaf priced at around $25,000 sold 6,000 units in the USA 2011 Tsunami interruption stunted their abilities that year.
USA’s volt sold 2,000 priced at $40,000. Now simple math: Produce your own fuel with 1 or 2 solar panels. Cost of fuel you save pays for EV.. And solar panels. Have I stirred your little grey cells. Consider your house? They now have vertical windmills for high rises as well very decorative and appealing.
So much more to Explore and enjoy..

Solyndra keeps popping up here and there. I fail to comprehend the hype that is associated to it. It was a failed investment. Get over it. How many failures have the oil , coal and nuclear energy sectors have per year at what cost to taxpayers and consumers for their failures. there are always stumblings over obstacles on a quest.
Consider a giant Christmas tree; As you string out the lights for decoration can you predict which one’s will not survive the installment or the season? Think not. Obama was correct in investing in the vast spectrum of Alternative Energy. Not focusing on one or two companies. R&D was his principle approach with some to immediate supply. A123 of Mass. For their fresh innovations on batteries. Johnson batteries for their historical growth of multi factories. Just a couple of examples of diversification.
Universities stimulated to support Green innovation. That is starting to pay off as well with so many new experiments that will increase Alternative efficiencies from 100% to some as much as 1,000% hint {Nano}
Why even the oil companies realize it. Notice for the last 2 or 3 decades no new refiners being built for the future. They also have invested in the R&D side of the equation to produce blossoming Green Energy.
Focusing on when we stubbed our toe is juvenile and of little merit.

@ Luke .
"Denise, I've been coveting the new electric Ford Focus. I'll probably be considered a nut when I get one, but I'm a compulsive early adopter. My entire house is lighted by LED lighting. It took me two years to find ones that were identical in color to conventional incandescent lights, thereby evading my wife's ever watching eye

Like your style and your goal for an EV Ford. Hey throw a couple of solar panels around and make you own fuel! Even if you don’t the savings in fuel will still pay for your EV using the utility grids. Approximately 1/8 of your fuel cost at present. Best to you…

@ Luke also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Bernard, What are you talking about when you say the oil producers pay no taxes? Exxon alone paid 27.3 billion in 2011. Oil producers make a tiny fraction of profit for every dollar invested as compared to software companies, for example. I'm not defending the tax policies regarding oil companies, but you need to get your facts straight."

Just sit back a look at your numbers. Fabrications. Exxon paid Zero dollars in taxes and received over $150 Million in tax refunds. Their explanation was that in the previous year they made some miscalculations on their taxes that resulted in their zero tax rate. Lordy 27.3 Billion?? Where in the world did get that number?

@ Luke
"Bernard, What are you talking about when you say the oil producers pay no taxes? Exxon alone paid 27.3 billion in 2011. Oil producers make a tiny fraction of profit for every dollar invested as compared to software companies.

Just got back in from fiddling around the garage. Thinking about that 27.3 Billon tax payment. My evaluations came from the top ten oil companies tax reports from 2010.
Now lets use your number and see what we get? Exxon would have to “Net less than Gross” approximately $130 Billion. Leaving them with about $102.7 Billion profit after taxes + whatever subsides/welfare they received. “IF” they paid that in 2011 then 2010 should have been in that ball park as well. So they actually paid ½ in taxes for those two years.
Consider that $85Billion was set aside for corporate welfare/subsides. Various corporations from agriculture to manufacturing. Oil received 3.5 to 4 $Billion of that. Not to mention coal and nuclear. Alternative energy received $5 Billion. That is for all branches of Alternative energies. [ China invested $50Billion for Alternative energies!} Strong indication we are headed in the wrong direction.
Consider Ryan’s budget for oil industry; "Ryan Budget Pads Big Oil's Pockets with Senseless Subsidies," Center for American Progress, March 20, 2012
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=278697&id=48818-18896842-LWo0J9x&t=16
Software is an indicator of the information age is coming to fruition. So what is your point?

@ Jay Sykes
"@Bernard... I've not yet found LED's to match the lumens, Kelvin and light color spectrum of incandescent at 25,40 or 60. The couple that I have bought have been 'demoted' to less important fixtures. Do you know of any LED's that can run on a dimmer and the K changes(warmer light) when dimming?"

Jay have to say, have little knowledge here. If memory servers me correctly. LED lighting has a minimal/ maximum voltage requirement that restricts their ability to the incandescent you seek They are used in union within a substrate of colored plastics to enhance their light distributions. Such as on stairs, borders, entrances, decorations, etcetera.
Vaguely remember that there are some in the range you seek but they are more in the realm of commercialized structures. Street lamps and some office lighting. They are too costly for the Main Street consumer, at this time. Think it was something like $50 to $100 per bulb. Someday, as it is with technology, they will drift down in price. If your obsessed with your quest would suggest contacting the various manufacturers’ that produce them. One more thing, some require non contact with your hands as they are sensitive to the oils bulb would pick up, causing them to burn out. Commercial brands that is. That’s about all I have on that. Good luck.

Verbose? Perhaps it does not always fit on a bumper sticker. There is more this is just the compact edition.
@ Luke also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Verbose."

Tbone also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"I wish Hovde would have won. That way we could have had a clear choice: Wall street parasite neo fascist kill the poor vs. stereotypical bleeding heart liberal mansions for bums.."

You sure do have a bone to pick. Good luck with that…
Let's think for a second.

Our businesses have added 4.5 million jobs in the last 29 months. The typical middle-class family has saved $3,600 in tax cuts over his first term. We passed historic health care reform. The war in Iraq has ended. It's now easier for women to fight for equal pay for equal work. And gay and lesbian service members can no longer be denied a place in our nation's military because of who they are or who they love.

OBAMA

@ Keith Schmitz also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Hey Joe, how does it work that someone who is so servile is so smug, especially a Hispanic. Better have your papers ready when you visit Arizona pal, land of the dry hate."

Good advice. For bigotry is not yet extinct.

@ Keith Schmitz also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Come to think of it Bernard, when has conservatism ever worked? Sucky track record. Corporations are people my friend, and right now its is the corporation that gets real representation from government, not people."

Laborer’s productivity is not allowed a voice in their distributions. The top 20% of our populace here in the USA garnishes 80% of its wealth. That leaves 80% of our populace to survive upon. Aristocratic Nation being given birth. The Mid-Wife for the delivery is the republican tea party

oh oh.

Darin Broton ‏@DBroton

Tommy Thompson says 'NO' to releasing his tax returns, then yelled at the reporter that asked him. http://bit.ly/N6pHpK

@ Brian Dey
"Well let's see Bernie. The $3,600 saved is Bush's fault and Obuma wants to hold that tax cut hostage so millionaires and billionaires (anyone making $250,000) can hand out more record numbers of food stamps to those wonderful college grads to lazy to take any job not in their field and play video games at mom and dad's all day long. Woman have had the right to equal pay

Laddie you have an upside down life. So much nonsense. Just a couple things I’ll go over with you. The $3,600 was Obamas tax cuts not Busch. Made after republicans held our USA for Hostage/Ransom if tax cuts did not include the elite. College grads lazy? Apparently you are not either one of those. Yet here you are all day long on daddies computer. Perhaps you are the latter one. Women Equal pay? What world do you live in. Ladies observe this chauvinist ideology for he represents the republicans prejudice views of you’ Even unto the point that they will dictate to you what you can do and cannot do with your body. Is this what you support?

Observe what republicans are defending, in our Wall Street versus Main Street USA scenario; Instead of investing in the economy and creating jobs, the global elite super rich (the .001%) stashed their assets in offshore tax havens. Mitt Romney has offshore accounts in Australia, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, Germany, Ireland, Luxembourg and Switzerland.
A new report from the Tax Justice Network estimates the amount of wealth sitting in offshore accounts is at least $21 trillion and as much as $32 trillion.
This amount is equal to the combined gross domestic products (GDPs) of Japan and the United States.
Some highlights of the report, “The Price of Offshore Revisited” include:
The number of the global super rich who have amassed a $21 trillion offshore fortune is fewer than 10 million people. Of these, less than 100,000 people worldwide own $9.8 trillion of wealth held offshore.

Laborer’s productivity is not allowed a voice in their distributions. The top 20% of our populace here in the USA garnishes 80% of its wealth. That leaves 80% of our populace to survive upon. Aristocratic Nation being given birth. The Mid-Wife for the delivery is the republican tea party.

Now to put some perspective to these numbers, that I mentioned in my previous post. Perhaps then even the least amongst us may yet come to realize just what they are supporting with their republican vote.
Some highlights of the report, “The Price of Offshore Revisited” include:
The number of the global super rich who have amassed a $21 trillion offshore fortune is fewer than 10 million people. Of these, less than 100,000 people worldwide own $9.8 trillion of wealth held offshore.
If this unreported $21 to $32 trillion, conservatively estimated, earned a modest rate of return of just 3 percent, and that income was taxed at just 30 percent, this would have generated income tax revenues of between $190 billion and $280 billion­—roughly twice the amount of countries that are members of the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD) spend on all overseas development assistance around the world. Inheritance, capital gains and other taxes would boost this figure considerably.
Do you want this to continue? “IF” you do, vote republican. “IF” you do not, vote Democrat. As long as republicans see themselves as the “Party First” USA second, it will continue. They are segregated by their own designs, subject to the host of the Tea Party First ideologies‘ of cronyism.
Thank you Brian Dey for reminding me of this... Good day to you...

Tax avoidance is legal. Money is property that belongs to individuals and corporations(made up of many individuals), if there is a flight of capital from the US, make it advantageous to keep capital in the US, that is unless you are a Marxist/Statist who believes in no property rights....which it appears to be.

Tax Justice. net, where you are cutting and pasting this crap is funded by many left wing Marxist organizations, but you appear too lazy to research.

@ doug toader
"Bernie baby, she is a Lesbian Congressman (woman) who could not win in any other district. If I remember you were shooting your mouth off about Walker a while ago before we took the state. Go back to bed Bernie you don't know anything."

Thank you doug. You still can see the child in me. As for Walker and his huge campaign contributors. Notice not grass root. Focal of source is to narrow. How they will play out is yet to be seen. Did notice that he lost majority to his senate. Perhaps an indication of what is yet to come. Noticed that two of the republicans on recall also had vast contributions from sources not grassroots. It will come down to how long can they buy votes through propaganda advertisements‘. Populace increase in educating themselves by observation, may yet turn the table. “You Can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time” Hmmmm who said that? The first Republican perhaps. Now doug who do you think that was? You are apparently from the “some of the people”…For those a little bit more adventurous than dougy here;
http://youtu.be/2Ux8Q3XC98U Back to bed. HA! “ I have yet begun to fight”! That one is for you dougy. Do you know who said that? Lets see how your schooling is coming along?

@ Brian Dey
"Bernie, Bernie, Bernie. (2009) to the latest IRS report on taxes paid, the top 5%, or those making over $308,000, pay 58.5% of all federal taxes, meaning that just 41.5% is paid by 95% of wage earners, and that is not even counting capital gains or corporate taxes
For one to claim intelligence, I find it odd that you can be so naïve to the world. Corporate taxes are in the lowest western civilized world. As your cronies pay more? Let me tell it to you in a simple story; ; 2 Guys buy a truck to serve their business. Each have their own business. {A} uses the truck, with wear / tare and fuel added , 10% of the time. {B} uses it the other 90%. Now time to add up cost and who pays what. {A} says he owes 10% {B} disagrees. He claims that 85% is what {A} owes. For {B} at 15% is paying more in wealth than {A} is paying with his 10%. Now if{A} don’t pay, {B} will SHUTDOWN the truck. The rest I’ll leave for you to figure it out. Now if you decide that {A} should pay the 85% then contact me immediately. Baby do I have a deal for you.
Keep in mind the only times in our history where the debt was manageable the tax rate to the elite was at 70% to 90%..

@ tosa townie
"http://www.irs.gov/businesses/article/0,,id=180946,00.html Income from Abroad is Taxable"

Only if it is declared. Only when it is brought back to the USA. And probably a ½ dozen more loop holes. They do not pay taxes on their earnings as well, if they are not declared. Keep in mind rules for Wall Street are not the same for Main Street. If you want an example I can provide you one where I use the Secretary Of The U.S. Treasury. Hint Mr. Paulson…. I can put in a story line if you prefer by using a house for sale.. Ha, ha,

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"OK Bernie, let's attribute those 4.5 million jobs to Barack Hussein Obama's ARRA bill like he wants us to. Using the CBOs latest estimate of 494 billion dollars spent through ARRA funds, that would mean each job only cost the taxpayers of this country $109,777.78. A deal in

Anti you will need to identify Arra and CBO’s ESTIMATED factors that were incorporated that you have forgotten to put in. Educational, R&D, Social Services you Know stuff like that. Just one component such as Jobs is insufficient. DATA INCOMPLETE cannot compute…. Currious, ANTI what? This or that or you?

@ Brian Dey ….. And then you throw out the choice for women to abort. MAny of us are long past that issue, however, you feel that it is okay to terminate a life by choice, but that grown adults can't choose if they want to be in a union, or choose what type of healthplan best suits their needs, or gun ownership, etc... Yes, the Democratic Party wants to create class envy. It has worked for them in the past. More food stamps for everyone... The Dems, the party of ME first/USA last."

ABORTION; “Many are long past that issue?” Sincerely doubt you are speaking for all of our ladies. Just as your naïve assertion that females are equal in the working arena. Feel ok when you vote for a war or an execution to abort on a massive scale or individually. Abortions will be. What we can do is determine the necessity. Your implication that you can decide for a female what she can do or not when put into that predicament is unacceptable. Create class envy? Schoolyard juvenile ruminative and within this comment irrelevant.
More food stamps with the growing poverty levels increasing. Who would of thought? Oddly enough Bush holds that record not Obama. Now as to this oxymoron statement.
“The Dems, the party of ME first/USA last." Who Boastfully proclaimed “Party First” You have your greed of cronyism as the compassionate benevolent Mr. Scrooge. Try taking a few steps out of the schoolyard before engaging your vast array of computers.

Drunk Tommy Thompson ‏@DrunkTommy

Mind you, if I DID share my tax returrnss, you all would see what a gennerouss phillanthrop... phillanthero... philanderer I am.

@ Brian Dey ….. ….“that grown adults can't choose if they want to be in a union, or choose what type of healthplan best suits their needs, or gun ownership, etc”

That union stuff; If you work in a union shop then when in Rome.. That union was voted in by the majority of the labors’. Perhaps they realized that their labors productivity ,Was not being distributed satisfactorily. Gee do you think that could ever happen. Are you implying that laborers can not have a voice in their productivity? Health plan with a voucher of 8,346, to negotiate with a monopolized Health Care Insurance co? Yeah that’ll work. As for Guns; Enough weapons have been sold in the USA to arm every Mom and Pop scenario. Ma appreciates your efforts to get her an assault rifle but say’s she likes her Colt just fine. Pop agrees. An arms race between Ma/Pa against the “Gangs” “Government” ? “End of the world” That’s getting lame. Every time we examine the reformation of guns sale they bring this doomsday nonsense trying to scare people. Actually they scare some so much that they… EXPLODE!
As for spending on me, me http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/ Unlike the Tycoons of war! Observe Obama's Libya to republicans Iraq, Afaghanistan, Desert Storm. Obama less than one year,no American lives lost, no boots on the ground, obtains objective. Bush's Sad, sad.

@ Brian Dey
5:09 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Forcing someone to join a union is marxist, plain and simple. Having to vote for union without a secret ballot than face intimidation if you vote no, communist.
And your ma/pa scenario is a bunch of crap.

: Marxism with the inclusion of Lenin's idea that imperialism is the final stage of capitalism, and Lenin's shifting of the focus of class struggle from industrialized to nonindustrialized societies
Encarta ® World English Dictionary
There in is the definition in short of Marxism. Now as the wealth gathers to the elite aristocrats . “Party First” is a declaration of separation of the political elitist. Evolving to aristocratic policies. 1. people of highest social class: people of noble families or the highest social class
2. superior group: a group believed to be superior to all others of the same kind
3. government by elite: government of a country by a small group of people, especially a hereditary nobility
4. state run by elite: a state governed by an
Encarta ® World English Dictionary
If we are to debate various political structures in such a confine area will prove challenging. I ‘ll let you digest this and perhaps continue on another posting. AS for the SECERET balloting? What cartoon did you get that from. Try to stay in reality if you want an honest debate. As to Abortions it is always in fashion. Its linked to womens rights. Deny them and who and what will be next?

@ @ Brian Dey
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Communist; 1. Marxist-Leninist system: the Marxist-Leninist version of a classless society in which capitalism is overthrown by a working-class revolution that gives ownership and control of wealth and property to the state
2. one-party state: any system of government in which a single, usually totalitarian, party holds power, and the state controls the economy

Encarta ® World English Dictionary Now that we have our definitions, lets look at your words; “Forcing someone to join a union” does 1776 or Civil war ring a bell. If we are to be united in union then let us be democratically as we can. Then we turn to some of the political philosophers that contributed to our constitution’s frame work.
John Lock concerns for the sovereignty of the individual was a god given right. At this time he was not including women or slaves. Inalienable rights that not even the individual could abuse or surrender. When faced with the colonies and how were the people to interrelate posed some paradoxes. Too many to go into here try reading a book on it.
Bottom line is he finally had to realize that in order for an individual exist within a social structure there would have to be a communication betwixt them to produce a unified production from the colony. Revaluates and determines there must be CONSENT! This is important point. For taxes, militias, land boundaries, and stuff like that. Are you keeping up so far. Interested let me know or will end

@ Brian Dey Observe if you will remember, COSENT. By entering into a union you must as an individual CONSENT to the unions objectives or remove yourself for it is not beneficial to your sovereignty. Your rights are maintained as an individual. If you CONSENT to democratic principles as prescribed by a constitution you are agreeing to abide by that constitution. When the constitution is written with all states in the Union under the federal executive office and its congress and by its judicial courts all agree on this constitution and someone stands up and says “I will not be forced into this agreement or contract”. They have the liberty to leave and not participate within the infrastructure of the USA. As long there are no violations of laws being held on lien against this individual. Leave without disturbing the welfare of the union. That applies to the little union shop at the bakery to the union of the USA. This I submit to your statement of your being forced is incorrect and false. Do you object. Present your argument if so.
Agree then we can move on to the next point of your statement. Time to GOOD NIGHT to One and ALL…

25 longgggg posts on one string Boy oh boy has Forand taken over this string. I don't even know what side you're on or your positions cause of your soooooo long winded posts. Boring. Headlines my friend work much better. Cut us all a break and give it a rest, ok?

@ Bewildered also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"25 longgggg posts on one string Boy oh boy has Forand taken over this string. I don't even know what side you're on or your positions cause of your soooooo long winded posts. Boring. Headlines my friend work much better. Cut us all a break and give it a rest, ok?"

My comments are not for the bumper sticker readers. You need not read them. I would prefer a full meal to a simple snack with deceiving nutrition’s.
How’s that a bumper sticker just for you.. Lord this so mundane and prone to pretentious nonsense.

Bewildered also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Boy oh boy has Forand taken over this string. I don't even know what side you're on or your positions cause of your soooooo long winded posts. Boring Headlines my friend work much better. Cut us all a break and give it a rest, ok?"

My comments are not for the bumper sticker readers. You need not read them. I would prefer a full meal to a simple snack with deceiving nutrition’s.
How’s that a bumper sticker just for you.. Lord this so mundane and prone to rapacious pretentious nonsense.

@ Bewildered also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"It's "bogart " you idiot, not "hogart"."

LOL you fail to see the play on words. Now this is where I’m supposed to perform some derogatory response. Juvenile, not interested. Hey another bumper sticker. Can you handle it. Stay tuned…Hog-art.. Hip pee

Bewildered also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"How the heck can she be " the incumbent" when the senate seat is open due to Kohl retiring ? Duh !!!!!!"

I know you like bumper sticker stuff so from the news paper a cut and paste; Baldwin, a “liberal from Madison first elected to Congress the same year Thompson last won, was unopposed.” Still like bumper stickers?

Bewildered also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"How the heck can she be " the incumbent" when the senate seat is open due to Kohl retiring ? Duh !!!!!!"

Here is how bumper stickers work. Try this one from the paper; She has been re-elected with more than 60 percent of the vote every two years since 2002.

Bewildered also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"How the heck can she be " the incumbent" when the senate seat is open due to Kohl retiring ? Duh !!!!!!"

Here another one; “Baldwin, first elected to the House in 1998 after serving six years in the state Assembly, is popular in liberal Madison.” Kinda like the Foxy tactics Huh.
Now go back to your dogmatic apprehension of issues that you fail to comprehend. Little wonder with your limited ability to read. Illuminates a boorish life. See a depredatory. Ha, Ha .

@ Lyle Ruble also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"@Keith Best...Your string was pulled again. I never heard Tammy claim she was a socialist or a Marxist. Way to throw crap out there."

Agree defiantly no Marxist. Noticed of late how the right wingers are throwing this Marxist stuff at every comment that they can not comprehend. Reminds me of the Foxy tactics of la propaganda. LOL they don’t even know who Marx is and what his theologies were. Karl was but one of many political philosophers’ [1818-83] Simply put he theorized that the oppressed in industrialized nations would overthrow their leadership as it progresses to Imperialism. LOL He got it wrong. Lenin [1870-1924] was used for his revolutionary activism and was sent to disrupt the Russians as WW I was escalating. He sure did do that! In his 1902 pamphlet “What Is To Be Done” In 1917 he gathered up the Bolsheviks and viola communism was introduced with his “ revolutionary vanguard”
So it was not Marx that introduced communism , He was already dead! It was how Lenin interpreted his theologies. Probably got it from the communist manifesto which was coauthored with Friedirch Engles [1820-95] in 1848. A call to arms sorts of stuff.
Just another story of the “Haves and Have not”.. Regan’s Contra.. Hmmm..

@ Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"But WHY do they need to join a union just to get a job?"

Examples can be found most recently at Caterpillar and Verizon; Both with record profits wanted their employee’s to take cuts in their health and stagnate their pay.
How does the laborers voice their opposition to the distribution of their productivity.
As an individual? That much there. As a union? Probability of being heard is increased.
In order for a union to exist it must be voted in by the majority of the laborer’s. When that is established the then CONSENT becomes an issue as to those that whish to join. No CONSENT, not desirable. Your choice.

@ Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.

 " Where Are Unions and Collctive Barginning are Forebidden Freedom is Lost"!

Words from one of your patriarch.

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Brian, you actually understood that? It sounds like Bernie is back in babble mode."

I can see with your aptitude all you can apprehend is babble. Perhaps this might help.
When monies are distributed for labor productivity. [JOBS] It can be absorb by various factors. Example; How many firefighters jobs were created if they have just been saved from the pink slip. Policemen, teachers, civil service, R&D stuff like that. Jobs saved is not recognized as jobs created. Jobs that were reinstated to police, firefighters, teachers excreta is not recognized as jobs created. Is it starting to sink in yet?
Your deductions between two diametric poles requires a vast amount of information before you can apply your simple math, to the scenario, you are trying to suggest, as the final equation. Insufficient data, does not compute…

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Bernie, you got me totally lost jumping from Marxism to the Revolutionary War to John Locke. Try making your point in a single coherent thought with complete sentences. Maybe writing down your thoughts and then organizing them before you post would help. Seriously "a communication betwixt them"??? What century are you stuck in?"

Let’s see if we can simplify this. Marx was theorizing how the “Have not’s versus the Have” would come to a position of the lesser overthrowing the greater. This applies to several examples.[1776, 1789, Vietnam, afew examples] It’s a political evolutionary political theory that Karl would define specifics how this would occur. Lenin proved him wrong, on one of his premises.
Now I know your attention is limited so the short of it. Germany sent Lenin into Russia to disrupt the Russians so they would not have a second front during WW I.
1917 Lenin gathered up the Bolshevik’s and with a “revolutionary vanguard” he established communism in a non industrialized nation! Karl’s premise failed. That’s ok because Karl was already dead. Marx [1818-1883] …. Whew! that is compact or what?

@ The Anti-Alinsky
How can a two-bit Marxist group find 21-32 TRILLION in tax fraud, but the well funded, bloodhound bred IRS can't? Something to think about for a change!"

LOL don’t take much thought. Ever hear of corporation fronts? Have some sprinkled all over the world and funnel USA profits through foreign corporations. That just one off the top of my head. I’m sure there are more elaborate and complex systems floating about. Have no source other than my memory on this one. Do you remember back to 2009/2010 when a whistle blower, an executive, that dealt in these offshore accounts decided to cash in on the IRS’s rewards. What happen? He was thrown in jail right here the good old USA. Sentenced to 8 months in jail. Hey that could be viewed as a good action on our USA to protect his life. Last I heard he got his $Millions and USA gets black eye for the jail stuff. Obama picked up the limited information. I think Obama was capable to hold about 50 of these owners responsible.
I like, when I can get it. The Noble Prize Winner of Politifact’s truth/ false meters. That can illuminate which proposed fact is worth pursuing and where to find them. Here I’ll go back into my files and give you an example; Ahh here is one.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/ Think its worth pursuing? Is this where should enter some degrading remark?

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"tosa townie, It's not just that Bernie et al are lazy. They just hear what they want."

LOL hear you loud and clear. Lazy oh yeah that I am. What’s wrong with that? Hard to hear these written comments. Speaker on this computer is malfunctioning. Now how about something with substance? .............PLEASE!...........

@ Brian Dey also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Forcing someone to join a union is marxist, plain and simple. Having to vote for union without a secret ballot than face intimidation if you vote no, communist. And your ma/pa scenario is a bunch of crap. It is a right granted to us by the Constitution. If you want to overturn it, take it to the states as called for. Just like my stance on abortion, until someone actually starts the process, shouldn't even be debated."

Is this dey-ja-veu? John Lock and the USA adopted the validity of the ideology, one has a right to CONSENT, to or not to, join a union of contract. Only secret ballot I’m aware of the secret ballots that we vote on at the polls. Are you a member of some secret organization that I’m not aware of and what their policies are on voting? Vote no… communist? Got that one backwards right? Try again. My Ma and Pa are content with their civilian weaponry and will not be intimidated to join some flakey arms race. Overturn? Where are these absolutes coming from? Reform is not overthrow. It is going before the states as is abortion and women’s rights. As to debate. When and where are you implying that you will decide what is allowed to be debated? What is this thread under some constitution that the majority has ruled on? “OR” are you flexing your dictatorship fantasy authority? As for that crap stuff, I will leave that for you to clean up..

Bernie, the Politifact claim does not take into account Obama's first year in office, 2009 because it was a Bush budget. This is true as far as it goes, but 2009 was a unique year. In addition to to the regular budgetary items, 2009 also has the $431 billion TARP bailout. Using historical data on page 21 from the Budgetary Historical Tales from the Whitehouse website ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist.pdf ) I gathered this data;
YEAR TOTAL SPENT % INCREASE
(in millions)
2008 2,982,544 9.30%
2009 3,517,677 17.94%
2010 3,456,213 -1.75%
2011 3,603,061 4.25%
2012 3,795,547 5.34% (estimate)

You can see spending went from 2,982,544 million under Bush to 3,795,547 under Obama. That's a 27.26% increase in four years!

Spin those facts Bernie!

@ Brian Dey also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"No Bernie, I was speaking for myself that abortion is a non-issue. It has already been decided and unless someone is actually prepared on the right to challenge it with a bill, than it shouldn't be a political issue. My Christian beliefs don't agree with the law, but that is between me and God. I do take issue over tax dollars paying for it

Whew talk about babbling ranting. I’ll take it step by step. Abortion is a non-issue? Incorrect. Women’s rights will not be decide until all women experience the freedoms and rights they have a god given right to. Bills will flood the House once we mop up all that Tea that the republicans spilled. If not today, then tomorrow or perhaps Nov.6 2012. If not Women have not yet begun to fight, as it is, with other political minorities’. It’s just the natural thing to do. A moral imperative will not cease.
As to your beliefs and gods keep them to yourself and stay out of my wife’s pants. Tax dollars is majority rule. Your god has no vote. You want to cast your vote with your god whispering in your ear. Then that is your decision.

@ Brian Dey continued #2 As far as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, I presume you are still living in a pre 9/11 world. As far as the Persian Gulf War, brilliantly executed in 100 days against the forth largest military on the planet that invaded Kuwait and slaughtered their people, not some pint sized despot that we had no national security interests with. And let's not forget the drone attacks where Obama decides whether a person is innocent or guilty

….Desert storm brilliant? Resulting in oil field fires. That may be what you referring to as Brilliant? Invaded Kuwait, Slaughtered their people? Might want to rephrase that. 100 days with boots on the ground. Thought they were there for a year with 265 days in waiting and putting out the fires. Pint sized depot really? Same pint size depot that the republicans tolerated his terrorist attacks and only dropped a few bombs to intimidate the objective. That only served to go to subversive tactics. How many years?
Yes lets not forget how Obama handles the terrorist. No boots on the ground. No lost of American lives. Objective obtained within months. Taxpayers savings. Ka Jing!
Collateral damage occurs in every war. Note Obamas collateral damage is less than the two wars of Bush sledge hammer tactics of war. “AND” Obama in less than two years, without taking time out to go water boarding does a drop and snatch and eliminates Busch’s objective.Then goes on to eliminate the top leadership of the Taliban.

@ Brian Dey continued #3 far more dangerous policy than Bush's). And why is there more poverty? Try the old Democratic level playing field of lowering regulations at Fannie Mae to give mortgages to those that couldn't afford them. That is the start of the recession when the bubble burst, and you have Democrats like Dodds and Frank to blame.

Deregulation for derivative trading by banks, might have played a roll in that Main Street USA lost $11 Trillion. LOL Romney wants to remove those nasty restrictions on the Banks that Frank Dodd, Elizabeth Warren and Obama placed on them from having that occurring again. That stopped Wall Street from celebrating and using taxpayers’ money to reward the failures of their executives. As to Frank Dodd giving mortgagees to those that could not afford them. Seriously doubt that. I perceive it as the predatory lending of banks with a card blank from any restrictions on their lending policies. “IF” you have facts to collaborate your opinion would be interested in examine them. Oh sources from opinionated news agencies not acceptable. [FOX] We already have you opinion on that. Start of the recession was when they deregulated the banks. That is the source. Mortgages are a by product of the action of deregulation of the banks. Focus at the source of the fire for better results in extinguishing the fire... One more to go...

@ Brian Dey continued # 4 And one just has to listen to Biden ( they gonna put y'all back in chains), or Obama's (you didn't build that), or his snide remarks about millionaires and billionaires (apparently he doesn't know math either; $250K-new math). Yes they are apart of the occupy zealots

HA, ha you just have to get some religion overtones in there. Speculate you view that as giving credence to your opinions. Chains? Again with these absolutes. Only coerced scenarios that come to mind is putting our USA in financial distress. More lucrative for a volunteer military. Extending wars and having multiple tours for our veterans. Now taxpayers will be paying for decades to nourish them back to health.
Didn’t build that is about as simple as it gets. Something you can not yet apprehend, never mind about comprehending. Refers to the infrastructure of our democracy that provided the nourishment for all corporations, small business, freedoms, security, education, and so on and so on. Its not snide if its true. Having their tax rates to less than Main Street USA is not acceptable. Observe USA’s debt was manageable when the tax rate for the elite was at 70-90% less than that and we start to smell fire. No new Math 250K means 250,000. Is your math pre 911? Perhaps it is more akin, to your zealot dogmatic outlook on reality? Thanks for the opportunity to present my points. Keep it up. TA,TA

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Bernie, the Politifact claim does not take into account Obama's first year in office, 2009 because it was a Bush budget. This is true as far as it goes, but 2009 was a unique year. In addition to to the regular budgetary items, 2009 also has the $431 billion TARP bailout. Using historical data on page 21 from the Budgetary Historical Tales from the Whitehouse website ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist.pdf ) I gathered this data; YEAR TOTAL SPENT % INCREASE (in millions) 2008 2,982,544 9.30% 2009 3,517,677 17.94% 2010 3,456,213 -1.75% 2011 3,603,061 4.25% 2012 3,795,547 5.34% (estimate) You can see spending went from 2,982,544 million under Bush to 3,795,547 under Obama. That's a 27.26% increase in four years! Spin those facts Bernie!"

That is impressive. Went to that site could not find it. You will have to explain just what and how you tablet these numbers. Example; You say this is 4 years of spending increase to Bush. Then you jump to 27.26% increase. Confused. Are you saying that Bush had a 27.26% increase? If so how do you get that number? While I was there did find info that I will present to you on a chart form. Easier to follow. As to the 431 billion was that added to Obamas expenditures for Bush? Confusing. Sort out numbers and label them similar to the chart I will provide.

Sorry about that if your adding % then Bush is 27.8% I don’t think % are added as the last total increase expenditure demonstrates the total % which would be that of the 20% one. Which is significant enough. 1/5th! Whew!

What does Karl have to do with IRS investigation? Confused again.
Karl was a political theorist not an investigating IRS agent? Your question is moot. Try again…

@ Anti ; Sent a reply for you on the Karl stuff. I didn't address it so here it is again.

What does Karl have to do with IRS investigation? Confused again.
Karl was a political theorist not an investigating IRS agent? Your question is moot. Try again…

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Your the only one who used the name Karl (from the context I am assuming Karl Marx). Now your posts are confusing yourself."

Confusing me. Nope but thanks for the concern. Karl Marx is what I was referring to since you brought up Marx in the first place. Now do you want to discuss Karl Marx or something else.. I await your desires.

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Again, HUHHHH??? Maybe you should go back to the full posts. Try one thought at a time. Stop jumping around."

Are you conversing with yourself? LOL first time I saw that. Your so funny…

Anyone else think Bernie's hero is Bernie? After this string, his thesaurus must be dog eared . Oh yea, incumbent refers to one running for reelection, not one who is running for a totally new office. With your logic, that would have made Obama the incumbent in the last presidential election. Again, duh.
Can't wait for Bernie's 25 responses to this.

Bernie, some advice for you:

" Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
Dean Vernon Wormer, Animal House 1978

@ The Anti-Alinsky

Think I know what you are trying to say. There is paradox in your numbers. Notice expenditures for two wars increased Bush’s spending by mere Millions! Is that what you want us to believe? My charts total debt to GDP would be more precise. I did find that 27.3% ,although think its 27.8%, of Bush’s increases but do not find Obama’s. As of 2009 it was+9% to debt.
Minus that from the 27.8% of what Bush handed Obama shows that Obama reduced the out flow to debt in one year by the +27.8% minus{+9%}= 18.8 %
Increase in spending does not reflect debt incurred. Example; An investment return on expenditures would not show up on your chart. Where in the final tabulation to debt would show up as total expenditure’s minus returns. Observe the hint I gave you. [+] is for increase to debt by the Billions or Trillions. [-] is decrease to debt. Spending will be more prone to error taken by itself.
[Barack Hussein Obama made the TARP increase permanent AND claimed a 1.75% decrease!] Explain how by increasing expenditures to Tarp by extending produces, 1.75% decrease? Contradiction? Bush spent just under $3million in his last year, with two wars and tarps. His increase to debt was 20.7%? Trillions to debt was 3,971 and he only spent a few million. Hmmm Think not. Perhaps on his ranch he spent that..
George W. Bush R 2005–2009.…….63.5%…..84.2%……..+3,971.…..+20.7%..109th. R, 110th D 109th R, 110th

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
As to the 431 billion was that added to Obamas expenditures for Bush? " What Obama's expenditure for Bush.

If Obama spent the 431 billion tarp does the debt of the tarp go to Obama or does Bush own up to it. Now 431 Billion minus 750 Billion {full tarp garnished from unappropriated taxes leaves us with 319 billion for Bush. How did he spend that without it showing up on your million dollar charts? How is it the 3 Trillion 791 Billion of unappropriated taxes, does not show up on charts? No spending involved? Mere millions in increase in spending. Good grief how much was he spending? Perhaps its because it is a separate expenditures from the unappropriated Taxes. Two different ledgers. Like I said the total debt to GDP is the more accurate measurement of debt incurred.
Oh by the way identify Obama’s numbers from Busch would help. As for us I’ll go with Politifacts. Mine numbers come very close to their numbers. Yours are to vague as to what they actually represent. So with that in mind one more time. Obama has had the slowest growth in spending of any President in the past 60 years: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/

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Bernie, you keep sounding like you are taking every third word from Paul Krugman's "New Economy".
"Explain how by increasing expenditures to Tarp by extending produces, 1.75% decrease? "
I didn't say Barack Hussein Obama increased expenditure to TARP. TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program) was a one-time expenditure to bail out financial institutions. It was passed in late 2008 and implemented primarily in 2009. This artificially increased the 2009 budget by that 431 BILLION! Now Obama comes along, and decided to increase spending by 473 BILLION compared to the 2008 budget. But, because we had that artificial bump in 2009, it appears like he is spending 85 BILLION less.

Compare this to buying a car. Let's say you keep your annual expenses about the same every year. One year you buy a new car for $50,000. You've artificially bumped your spending by that amount. The next year you decides to eat prime rib once a week, eat lunch out instead of brown bagging it, get DirectTV's premium service instead of Time-Warner's basic service, go with Road Runner instead of dial up and increase your insurance coverage. You are now spending $20,000 more per year than the usual, but because of the new car purchase, you are spending $30,000 less than the previous year. You haven't cut your expenses, just used an new contrived baseline.

PS, clean up your charts so we can read them. Like your posts, they make no sense as they are!

So now we have 83 year old female Progressives/Nun's on the Bus types spitting in the faces of Romney supporters. I wonder if Keith would spit in my face if I told him to 'zip it’? Looks like the Progressives are becoming unhinged.

I am just glad some right wing nut did not pull a .45 and blast the upset old lady.

@ The Anti-Alinsky

Have given you hints all along the way, hoping you could figure it out your self. So lets simplify it for you. Your numbers are increase to spending and their % to increase in spending. Lets round off the numbers. Obama’s increase to spending is from a 1.2 Trillion deficit. Round off to 1 Bush is 3 Trillion 791 billion round off to 4. Now Example; Bernie spends 1 today Anti spends 4. Increase to spending is 0. Next day Bernie spends 2 . Antie spend 5. Now Bernie,s spending to increase is 100% Anti’s Spending is 25% getting the drift. Now who actually spent more. Bernie spent 2. Anti spent 5. Now Bernie spends 3. Anti spends 6. Now Bernie’s increase to spending is 30% Anti’s spending is at 20% Now who spent more Bernie spent 3 Anti spent 6. This is what ,one has to watch for, when dealing with percentages. That’s why they buried it in the files. Its seldom of any use other than a curiosity. That is why I went to expenditures to debt of GDP. That is why my numbers compliments the politifacts numbers and yours are no more than an exercise in % spending increase from two different points of base expenditure. Factor in inflation and you may find your 1.75% decrease to spending for Obama.
Debt incurred to GDP is more accurate as it combines most of all factors for
unappropriated taxes. This does not take into account the monies that republicans took from S.S. and the loan from China.

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Bernie, some advice for you: " Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Animal House 1978"

Good advice right back at you…

We need to get our House in order if we are to progress. Time to clean up all that Tea Partying First mess, that the republicans have spilled all over our House floor.
Perhaps with a frugal president “Yes We Can”…
Obama has had the slowest growth in spending of any President in the past 60 years: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/

@ Bewildered also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Anyone else think Bernie's hero is Bernie? After this string, his thesaurus must be dog eared . Oh yea, incumbent refers to one running for reelection, not one who is running for a totally new office. With your logic, that would have made Obama the incumbent in the last presidential election. Again, duh. Can't wait for Bernie's 25 responses to this."

LOL was illustrating what bumper stickers can do to the validity of the context. Similar tactic of Fox. Got it from them. Did you enjoy it?
Sorry for the wait. Have a few other sites, to attend to, as well as this one. Keeps me busy.

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"So which set of candidates do you really trust to get our fiscal house in order, the one that has increased spending by 27.26% in four years, of the one that has run a business and has a knowledgeable, fact citing economist one his side. I know which one Bernie will go for, the one that has proven they will drive us further into debt!"

Already showed you your flaw in increase spending versus debt incurred.
I prefer the Nobel Prize winning Poitifact numbers to your delusional limited capacity of mathematical comprehension. Like this one on spending;
Obama has had the slowest growth in spending of any President in the past 60 years: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/
That Anti cannot comprehend debt incurred? Is this the one, you wish to emulate?
Gee Anti I wonder why the won the Noble award? Spin that all you want like a Fox chasing its tail, you get nowhere.
This is what Anti supports amongst other Anti USA policies.
http://OFA.BO/iG451c Mitts record for outsourcing
http://youtu.be/EQwrB1vu74c Mitt flip flopping on a multitude of issues. How much will it take to get him to dance to the Cronyism’s serene melodies?
Now we know how Anti is going to vote how about you?
Wall Street+ Cronyism versus Main Street USA. Your choice Nov.6 2012

The Anti-Alinsky

Once again where is base from which increase occurred? What has that to do with dedt incurred? This is redundant!

Already showed you your flaw in increase spending versus debt incurred.
I prefer the Nobel Prize winning Poitifact numbers to your delusional limited capacity of mathematical comprehension. Like this one on spending;
Obama has had the slowest growth in spending of any President in the past 60 years: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/
That Anti cannot comprehend debt incurred? Is this the one, you wish to emulate?
Gee Anti I wonder why the won the Noble award? Spin that all you want like a Fox chasing its tail, you get nowhere.
This is what Anti supports amongst other Anti USA policies.
http://OFA.BO/iG451c Mitts record for outsourcing
http://youtu.be/EQwrB1vu74c Mitt flip flopping on a multitude of issues. How much will it take to get him to dance to the Cronyism’s serene melodies?
Now we know how Anti is going to vote how about you?
Wall Street+ Cronyism versus Main Street USA. Your choice Nov.6 2012

@ The Anti-Alinsky
Now Example; Bernie spends 1 today Anti spends 4. Increase to spending is 0. Next day Bernie spends 2 . Antie spend 5. Now Bernie,s spending to increase is 100% Anti’s Spending is 25% getting the drift. Now who actually spent more. Bernie spent 2. Anti spent 5. Now Bernie spends 3. Anti spends 6. Now Bernie’s increase to spending is 30% Anti’s spending is at 20% Now who spent more Bernie spent 3 Anti spent 6. This is what ,one has to watch for, when dealing with percentages. That’s why they buried it in the files. Its seldom of any use other than a curiosity

Already showed you your flaw in increase spending versus debt incurred.
I prefer the Nobel Prize winning Poitifact numbers to your delusional limited capacity of mathematical comprehension. Like this one on spending;
Obama has had the slowest growth in spending of any President in the past 60 years: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/
That Anti cannot comprehend debt incurred? Is this the one, you wish to emulate?
This is what Anti supports amongst other Anti USA policies.
http://OFA.BO/iG451c Mitts record for outsourcing
http://youtu.be/EQwrB1vu74c Mitt flip flopping on a multitude of issues. How much will it take to get him to dance to the Cronyism’s serene melodies?
....Anti 4 Wall. .....Bernie 4 Main USA
Wall Street+ Cronyism versus Main Street USA. Your choice Nov.6 2012

Anti- Please don't confuse El Bernado and Sr. Ruble with facts. It will only confuse them and drive you nusts with their responses. Lyle, if you love Cuba's healthcare soooo much, move there and stop trying to make us Cuba. It only proves what I said all along. You desire to make the United States a communist country. As you can see by 2010 and the 2012 recall, that at least in Wisconsin, we'll have none of that. And El Bernado, please re-read many of your links because I think that if it were in Russian, Chines or Spanish, you might see that you have no clue of what they say. Ta-ta for now....

@ lolo peeg also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Tammy Baldwin does represent something--more of the same leftist, special interest drivel we have had for the past 4 years. Let's get out thevote and make sure she doesn't have a chance."

With women’s rights, financial debt issues, Health Care, and so on and so on. As we slowly recover from the fiasco the republicans dumped on us 2008 with a 9% contraction rate. That republicans want to return back to? With their special interest in oil, coal, nuclear toxic waste scenarios. Example 2010 top ten oil companies paid zero taxes, received, each. $Millions in tax refunds. Demand multibillions in subsides [Welfare]. Holds nation for hostage/ ransom. For their welfare and tax cuts to the millionaires. Don’t pay and they “SHUTDOWN” our USA. That is what you support? Kinda of an oxymoron ideology?

@ lolo peeg also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"With America's tax policy on the rich, and Obama's proposed tax policy, if I had any money I'd be stashing it offshore as well. I am not rich but I hope to be someday, and if I am, "I will build it," not 'govmint'. I prefer Ryan's plan, end the loopholes."

Hope your employment is well secured. That you will survive and profit even when the consumers dry up for your products because their were not as fortunate as you. No consumer no business. Simple as that. Why be concern about consumers? Well this might have something to do with it, an excerpt of Ryan’s plan;
His economic plan would cost America 1 million jobs in the first year. Ryan's proposed budget would cripple the economy. He'd slash spending deeply, which would not only slow job growth, but shock the economy and cost 1 million of us our jobs in 2013 alone and kill more than 4 million jobs by the end of 2014.1
"Ryan's Budget, Robin Hood in reverse," Economic Policy Institute
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=278939&id=48818-18896842-LWo0J9x&t=4
Page 1 to be continued…

You expect me to accept moveon.org as evidence or proof? They are simply not trustworthy or reliable. I oppose abortion, a woman does not have the right to take an innocent life. Right now we have "Robin Hood" in the form of Obama, its time to reverse the pendulum.

lolo peeg
"Does it matter that Solyndra is only $500 million. This company was not worth a dime of taxpayers money to produce solar arrays."

Solyndra keeps popping up here and there. I fail to comprehend the hype that is associated to it. It was a failed investment. Get over it. How many failures have the oil , coal and nuclear energy sectors have per year at what cost to taxpayers and consumers for their failures. there are always stumblings over obstacles on a quest.
Consider a giant Christmas tree; As you string out the lights for decoration can you predict which one’s will not survive the installment or the season? Think not. Obama was correct in investing in the vast spectrum of Alternative Energy. Not focusing on one or two companies. R&D was his principle approach with some to immediate supply. A123 of Mass. For their fresh innovations on batteries. Johnson batteries for their historical growth of multi factories. Just a couple of examples of diversification.
Universities stimulated to support Green innovation. That is starting to pay off as well with so many new experiments that will increase Alternative efficiencies from 100% to some as much as 1,000% hint {Nano}
Why even the oil companies realize it. Notice for the last 2 or 3 decades no new refiners being built for the future. They also have invested in the R&D side of the equation to produce blossoming Green Energy.
Focusing on when we stubbed our toe is juvenile and of little merit.