Did you see how he ripped on WASPs? He slammed the Protestant religion! That is not very tolerant of other religions. Oh Lyle the enlightened one.

@Michael McClusky....Only one question; where does the money and power lay? Are you denying that white privilege exists?

@Neil A Lyle keeps on portraying himself as so wise and above everyone else, yet his true beliefs are as rotten as the worst racists on Patch.

@Neil A...WASP is not to be defined as protestants only, but it is used to describe a particular American values system and perceptual orientation.

@Lyle Just because someone has wealth does not make them evil. Power is ill-used depending upon the individual who wields it- not the whole race.

@Michael. Your are 100% correct. Wow! It's amazing. You replace "WASP" and "White Males" with a minority group in this post than Lyle would be like a member of the KKK or some other hate group.

White privilege exists.
Male privilege exists.
Female privilage exists.
Black privilage exists.

@Lyle...the "P" stands for Protestant. I as a Protestant take great offense to that.

I believe Martin Luther King would be ashamed of Lyle's opinion. He wanted equality, everyone to be seen as the same. Lyle is suggesting that by some strange alien power, we need to now utilize a new form of affirmative action to elect candidates. That sure as hell is not representative of a Democratic Republic.
What's next Lyle? Electing the mentally ill? Electing emotionally disturbed? How about the mentally opressed?
Considering what we have sitting in the White House now, I guess we can't possibly do much worse.

@Craig....MLKJr. would know precisely what I am talking about. If the normally restricted groups now have an equal opportunity to compete without the social burdens of the past, then we are electing people based on merit.

I may be wrong, but I thought he wanted us to judge a man by his character and not the color of his skin.
That would normally mean may the best man win.

Lyle: "WASP is not to be defined as protestants only, but it is used to describe a particular American values system and perceptual orientation."

Oh my, Lyle, now you are creating your own definitions. Your feeble attempt to backtrack from your incredibly racist article is laughable. To quote my favorite Simpsons line, "What a pile of crapy crap crap".

Guess you have abandoned your hero "Slick Willy" once and for all.

For Lyle Ruble this 50-48 electoral result is an irresistible Rorschach inkblot from which to extrapolate his socialist pipedream rather than evaluate any objective demographic reality.

He is steeped in an anti-Western hate ideology designed to dismantle the traditional social order in the mistaken belief this will serve the interests of the marginalized in society. That's why he uses the term White Anglo Saxon Protestant as a pejorative; the left employs identity politics to delegitimize the dominant cultural values of meritocracy, individualism and entrepreneurial drive and replace it with one based on group hierarchies and group rights.

Through the prism of race, class and gender certain groups are always good; African Americans, Latinos, the LGBT Community, while white males are automatically evil. It's cultural Marxism with white males playing the part of the bourgeoisie. It's not sound reasoning as Socialism has been a miserable failure everywhere it's been tried.

I would expect a smart, tolerant guy like Lyle to judge people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skins and not engage in ad hominine attacks on entire religions. More spoiled baloney for sale.

@Adam Wienieski...You are only partially correct in your analysis. I think you need to understand that I have always been an advocate for equal opportunity and not equal outcomes. In a true meritocracy, everyone starts at the same place and rises based on their own efforts. The idea of bringing the marginalized groups into the mainstream will only help with creating a situation of equal opportunity for all.

There has been and always will be a tension between the sovereign individual and the sovereign community. Currently we are in a period of change and redefinition of individuals and our position as a nation to address the needs of the future. With the changing demographics, needs have changed and we must address them in an entirely different way. This last election is an indication that there is a new metric to take into account. The quicker the power structure gets on board and begins working on the new reality instead of resisting and obstructing; the quicker we can make the changes and shifts in social structure to accommodate the global reality.

Lyle, life is not fair. Some people are stronger, smarter more talented or work harder than others. You will never play quarterback in the same league as Aaron Rodgers and I will never play the violin like Midori Goto. When progressives suggest leveling the playing field it always reminds me of the Kurt Vonnegut short story "Harrison Bergeron" [ http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html ]

We will never start from the same place but we can have the same opportunities if credentialed bureaucrats are not allowed to pick winners and losers based on race, class and ethnicity. Your opaque emphasis on group based morality, changing needs and redefining the individual sounds like a dog whistle for the totalitarian state.

A majority of the people who own all the businesses and pay all the taxes in this country voted for Romney/Ryan. The difference in the popular vote was actually less than Bush vs Kerry in 2004. If the new global reality becomes an Obama recession the pendulum will swing back, in the meantime it's unlikely they'll be getting onboard your Gramscian-Hegelian express to statism.

Lyle- I also take offense. I think it is those elete Shorewood Jews who are the one with the problem. Keep dividing you racist, self-centered pig. Your side got kept exactly what it had at the federal level, lost the state senate and Republicans now have a solid majority to push the Conservative agenda in Wisconsin. 30 Governorships are now safely in the hands of Republicans to only 19 Dems and 1 independent. Obama won by 2% over all other candidates which hardly constitutes a mandate.

And just so you know, WASP stands for White Angelo-Saxon Protestant. So it is perfectly fine for you to be intolerant of Whites and Protestants. Well, sorry if you are offended by the term racist pig but that is exactly what you are. And you have the nerve to post blogs about how others are intolerant, which also makes you a racist hypocrite.

You know nothing of Martin Luther King, Jr., and I am pretty sure he would be just as offended. Even more so, you have proven time and time again that you are unwilling to try to understand the TEA Party movement and the Republican Party other that to use BS stereotypes.

Frankly, all one needs to do is look at a county by county nationwide map to understand that it is the urban area that are the only ones, outside of a few hippy districts, that voted for Obama. The rest is more Red than ever.

@Neil A...You're the poster child for the WASP Nation.

@Lyle. I made the above comment as a comparision to your hate filled rant. You see how stupid the above comment is? That is how you sound.

As much as I hate to agree with Neil, the comment does reflect a lot of the same ideas put forth in your comments about Mormons, Lyle...

Neil - that's not helping the conversation.

@Neil A... Even though you made the comment as a comparison to Lyles article, I agree with what you said 100%! I would never vote for a woman to represent this nation. They don't think with their minds, they think with their hearts, and that won't work!

I disagree: Hillary has no heart.

Affirmative Action for the intellectually challenged?

@Greg...Biden is a member, he's a liberal progressive.

@CowDung...Who is the intellectually challenged?

Lyle:

It's commonly believed to be Biden. He's like the Democrat version of GW Bush...

I agree 100% - the more it's talked about the worse it seems. Some of my more liberal friends thinking giving "minorities" special treatment makes it better. If you go out of your way it makes it all the more obvious that it is not equal and makes them more uncomfortable to constantly keep pointing out that they are minorities. I think they just want to be treated equally, regardless of race or gender. That's what will make them equals, not constantly talking about it and making excuses. We should all just be the majority.

Bob, the Tea fringe seemed to spend quality time focusing on lady parts in particular and defining who was a "moocher." This self-identification of a platform/idea that women need special supervision and almost half the country wants "free stuff" (racial division?) exacerbated the GOP's negative reputation for being out of touch. These messages aren't resonant with most modern people.

Like I said, Bren, when you're going through the primary process, you end up airing a lot of dirty laundry that you wouldn't ordinarily have to when you're running and incumbent (again, see Hillary v Barrack, 2008).

I don't think there's an official party platform that uses the words "moocher", "free stuff" or "Lady Parts". I doubt there's going to be one on the other side that endorses hating on old white guys either, but the same segment of the population who brought you the three I mentioned above (pro/am political "experts") is running with that one right now.

Bob, I'll agree that these terms didn't come directly from the Romney campaign, and this is where the fringe sabotaged its own candidate and party. Because those terms were definitely part of the political lexicon.

I'm personally fed with the rhetoric.

Bren, I think I'd agree with you on that last point - as-is.

@Bob McBride...Funny isn't it. As an ole' white guy, it's tough taking a look in the mirror and what stares back is not the solution but part of the problem.

@Lyle Just because you have an utter contempt for the white race doesn't mean that Bob has to share in your hatred. You need some serious counselling big time.

Not really, Lyle. I'm no more part of the solution or the problem than is anyone else based on the quantifiers of age, sex, ethnicity, religious preference, race, sexual preference, etc. Your mileage may vary.

@Michael McClusky...I don't hate white people. I'm white and I don't suffer from self loathing. However, I also understand the privileges of just being born white and for WMW to attempt to disenfranchise and keep others under their control just in order to protect their privileged positions. Let me ask you; who were the big donors to Super PACs, candidates? It was the WMW almost exclusively. You'll never get any traction for your third party candidates as long as the WMW controls the process.

@Lyle This idea that white people are just so unfair with their political, social and economic thinking is ridiculous. Are you aware that throughout US history that the white people have been far and away the majority of the populace? That is why they received the most benefit and also paid the highest price.

That demographics are changing does not necessarily mean everything will be fair. Life is not fair. The liberal dreamworld that somehow everything turns out equally is simply wacko.

I saw a comment of yours that suggests that with equal segments of population that somehow there will be some sort of equal merit in our society. C'mon, you should know that results never turn out equally.

By the way, the use of WASP was really in bad taste. Don't bring religion into the mix.

@Michael McClusky...You approach your defense of whites as they should be given the most because they have sacrificed the most and have been in the majority is a specious argument. Their majority rule has created more opportunities for them at the expense, intended or unintended, of other minority groups. Did black Africans desire to be captured and sold into bondage just to work as slaves and make their owners rich? Who did the suffragettes struggle against just to receive the vote? We have a whole history of the supremacy of the white majority dominated by males working for their benefit without regard to the lives of others.

Liberals don't expect equal outcomes, but we do expect equal opportunity to pursue one's goals without impediment of social structures favoring just the few. In response to your life is not fair, that is true as long as the deck is not manipulated and stacked against others. I am making a clarion of the fact that Male White Dominance is waning and power will continue to shift to the new demographic makeup of the nation.

BTW....WASP indicates a group with similar characteristic values and not a religious preference. Adherence to those values are enough for inclusion into the group and not religious affiliation; such as Catholic WASPs, Jewish WASPs, etc.

@Lyle Slavery has been over for a very, very long time. I think people have realized that the future is in front of us, not the past.

As for my view: Sotomoyor was appointed to the US Supreme Court because she happens to be a Latino woman. There were other candidates more qualified than her, but by golly we have to have a broader demographic. We need the best legal minds on the bench, not a token person to fill out some liberal ideal.

I believe in meritocracy, plain and simple. Skin color and gender should have nothing to do with it.

@Lyle No, life is unfair period. This idea that liberals can somehow erase unfairness in a society is just assinine. There will always be a segment that ascends while another does not. Someone will always have the upper hand. Wake up!

Lyle - maybe it isn't any more but WASP used to mean White Anglo Saxon Protestant so it does have religious connotations.

"Catholic WASPs. Jewish WASPs". Lyle, you do realize you are the laughing stock of Patch tonite. My goodness, you are a very strange, bigoted, angry old man trying sooo hard to pretend you are an intellectual (here's a hint....it ain't working).

@Neil A...I am not a Democrat so you don't have to apologize to anyone. I never claimed I spoke for anyone except myself.

@Bewildered...I'm crushed!

Lyle, my comment only partially aimed at you. Mostly to all of us that are constantly exposed to your drivel. Actually, you are not that interesting or honest, just very,very predictable and verbose

@Neil A....How do you figure that I am the reason for the differences? Why is it that no one ever takes on the Male White Majority (MWM)? I call a spade a spade and all the MWM advocates come out of the woodwork claiming I'm a racist and divisionist. Actually I find that rather funny and am enjoying the reactions immensely.

Neil was right, Lyle. See my comments below. Attempt to refute them, if you dare.

Unreal....you made up an acronym "MWM"! How is the for hateful labeling folks? Maybe that is the purpose of your posts. To incite hostility and sit back and watch the fireworks. You are a sick, sick demented man.

When I read crap by the "progressive liberals" like Lyle it makes me so SICK I voted for Obama. I hate their attitude. And they really aren't what the Democratic party stands for. I, as a member of the Democratic party, sincerely apologize to everyon on the blog. And please realize and understand...PLEASE! Lyle does not represent the majority of Democrats. True Democrats run from people like Lyle. They are a small minority we must live with in the party.

Neil: I forgive you for your decision to vote for BHO.
I agree with you on the polarization perspective. It is the extreemist left that has moved me from being a moderate Liberal and fiscal conservative to a staunch Conservative.
One extreem perpetuates another counter extreem. This is why we are in such a mess, and can not accomplish anything.
Imagine if the private sector was like this- at work in our real jobs...Human Resources would be going nuts.

@ Lyle...have you ever heard the phrase, "the right thing said at the wrong time is still wrong?"...This article copitulates the idea that skin color, creed, ethnic background or any other "difference" had anything to do with ability. I think, in my opinion, that you are wrong on so many levels in this article. Let's just presume for a minute that you are an accountant and I am a mechanic. does this automatically mean that I can't balance my check book?, or, does it mean that you absolutely cannot work on machinery or learn to do it?...our position, or race for that matter, has nothing to with the choice of education we choose or whether our ability to lead will suffer or not. Until we can move past the labels we put on people, we will never get past the stereotypical ideas that our perceptions drive. For instance, statements like..."the first black/african american/hispanic/white/asian male/female gay/straight to...(insert whatever accomplishment here)" those labels keep us imprisoned in an idea that we must somehow to compete between races"...there is no greater race than any other and for you to advocate the idea that all white males are somehow dominant because they have been in leadership positions is offensive, honestly.

In fact, you have lowered my existence to a chemical called millinen which is what gives the skin its pigment, or not, and I don't appreciate the "attitude" in you article that equates me to a chem lab experiment because of the mishandling of the past, or not...stop the labels Lyle...please...

@Go Galt....No hate just a different perspective. Is your name Galt a nom de plume?

Craig, my candidate for unqualified "case in point" would have been Scott Walker.

And I do believe, along with the majority of the GOP, that Herman Cain was not the candidate of potential for 2012.

Herman was likeable and easy to understand, this could have appealed to Independants and Liberals to cross over.
Walker has already proven his qualifications- twice.

@Greg....It's all about the economy stupid! Well not entirely. The groups I identified in the article are not going to let the White Male Majority set the agenda any longer. It's a different America.

A victory against dishonesty would have favored Romney. Obama got quite a bit of mileage out of scaring old people by claiming that Romney/Ryan want to destroy Medicare and Social Security and push granny off the cliff...

I'm recalling, for example, a $50,000/plate fundraiser and comments made about "the 47%." That meme certainly wasn't intended for prime time!

We could also look at the flip-flopping on issues from Romneycare to women's rights to the Paul Ryan budget plan. I'll spectrally "stand" by my comments.

@CowDung....You are wrong about the elderly; they overwhelmingly supported Romney/Ryan by 16% over Obama. Let's see what other propaganda are you going to throw out for us?

What was the differential for those that will be approaching Medicare/SS age? Obama was polling well for the 30-49 year olds, and even leading in the 50-64 bracket...

Bren;

Where's the dishonesty in the 47% comment aside from the way it was taken out of context and misrepresented by the Dems?

Bren - if you are going to site the 47% comment - at least site it correctly. Romney said 47% of Americans were going to vote for Obama - regardless of what he did or said - and 47% were going to vote for him - therefore - he was not going to worry about the 47% that were voting Obama, he was going to word about the other 6% remaining. - that is all he meant. Talk about taking things out of comment. And back to Lyle's WASP comment. You speak about your daughter occasionally Lyle, and I do not think you or she would like her to be called a JAP - Jewish American Princess - really the same as a WASP.

@J.B. Schmidt....You are discounting people by claiming that they only voted for Obama and the Democrats because they will be able to become dependent on the government or they don't want to jeopardize the free stuff. This is a very cynical statement at best. Your view is utilitarian and simplifies people's motivation down to just a few driving variables. Your simplistic definition stereotypes people as somehow less than human.

This is not about skin color, religious orientation or anything else that typically is utilized to group people. The president was reelected because he was perceived as the one best representing the interests of the diverse groups and not just the one representing the traditional power structure. Whether you like it or not, this is the new politic.

@lyle ..... for you to think there weren't people who voted based on fear of losing their govt assistance is extremely naive. That's the only reason the president was reelected.

@Lyle
What drives people? Money, housing, food and sex; correct? That was the Obama platform. He will take from the rich and give to me, he will intervene in the mortgage industry to help my housing needs, he has already increased food stamps more then any other administration and he he ensure the women I meet are on contraceptives making all sex safe good sex. I don't see that as cynical, I see it as reality. If I am wrong, please explain the platform he ran on.

"he was perceived as the one best representing the interests of the diverse groups" Exactly as I stated above, their interests were self centered and little forward thinking as to the consequences.

"not just the one representing the traditional power structure" How do your convince yourself that reality doesn't exist? Obama's life has been about playing the traditional power structure like a stradivarious. His right hand man is a old white guy. You have accepted a lie.

@J.B. Schmidt...You stated: "What drives people? Money, housing, food and sex; correct?" It is not correct, there is so much more that motivates people. You are only speaking to the lowest of Maslow's 'Hierarchy of Needs', which are the basis of survival. Your claim that Obama only appealed to the base needs of those that elected him is clearly a discount of those people. Clearly people are self interested and the true goal is self actualization. The majority of people want to just work and take personal responsibility for their lives. Government assistance works as a safety net to prevent people slipping into abject poverty as the economy recovers. When employment returns to more normal you will see the need for government safety nets decline down to pre recession levels. This is what the majority are counting on, knowing full well that not Obama or Romney can single handedly restore the economy.

You are convinced that Romney could provide the leadership, but the majority rejected his plan and him personally. He was perceved that he was not one of them and had no idea what true challenges and suffering is like. Romney connected with the white male voter and they voted for him , but they no longer hold the majority. What the election should teach us is that the majority of people believe that they want government in their lives; absence of government is only good for the rich and powerful.

@Lyle
You wrote a response that only fits the narrative you are trying to present and not actually responding to what I posted.

Please tell me int he Obama 2012 platform he was promoting "take personal responsibility for their lives". In fact everything he offered was geared toward the government providing. You said that people "want to just work" as a reason for electing Obama. Any assessment of the prior for years goes against that assessment. Not to mention he proposed no new ideas to promote job creation. Rather, he played his game with the other needs. He claimed he would increase incomes (whether via wages or government assistance programs) by taking from the rich, he promised less restrictive sex, he has shown that he will attack the mortgage market and dramatic increase in government assistance under his presidency back all this up. If it was the 'hope' of something better, that is still illogical. Even hope needs to be based on the expectations seen in past performance.

You can continue trying to put Obama on a pedestal; however, there is no proof in the record of this first 4 years that he should have been re-elected because of the work he did to better the country as a whole. Rather all the evidence points to an electorate that voted for a man that will simply fulfill their own self interest regardless of the effects on their neighbors. Again with the string of recent layoffs, the proof is right before us.

In Wesley Yang's article, he finds that those in control in the academic institutions (mostly Demarcates) are holding Asians back. In addition, he finds that Asians' own social upbringing (the desire to conform, among things) stops them from advancing to executive positions more than they do. Unfortunately, the Asians somehow slipped by the attention of the white Demarcates and got permission to succeed without their help. In addition, the Asians went a step farther and blamed themselves for not taking advantage of of EVEN MORE opportunities.

Now, Lyle, I've already discussed the success of women in the workplace with you, and I received no rebuttal. If you disagree that women tend have different values than men, then say so. However, if women tend to pursue different goals than men, then why are you saying that white men are standing in their way?

The fact is that there will one day be 50% or more women on the Supreme Court. It will happen because it is an appointed position, not because 50% of the women were just as available and qualified as men.

The fact is that although there are plenty of women in the graduate school studying math and the sciences, rather few of them go on to pursue top academic positions or continue on in the public or private sector the way that men do. It is that way because they make that choice, for THEMSELVES!

In a recent article, Anne-Marie Slaughter, a former Hilary Clinton adviser and feminist, explained what women want and how the work environment needs to change to give them what they want.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/07/why-women-still-cant-have-it-all/309020/1/

Slaughter's big mistake was not taking her biology into account. Her other mistake is that "all" means one thing to one demographic, and something entirely different to another. Again, she apparently forgot to consult with the Demarcates before succeeding in getting EXACTLY what SHE WANTED. Old Jewish, progressives in Shorewood weren't consulted when she acted according to her values.

@Luke...thank your for the posts. You brought in some reason and logic.

Lyle,

I expect a rebuttal or an apology. At least walk back your comments.

(We aren't done either. I plan to revisit the previous discussion about how the poor are socialized by their own parents and community to fail. However, I expect you to step up and address what I have already posted first. But if you can't reply, perhaps you can get an Asian or one of the other statistically advantaged minorities to do it for you, given that they have a tendency to be more driven than white Jews in Shorewood to perform, and have 50% more income to boot!)

@Luke...I'm glad that you shared this piece. You know as well as I that money is an important factor, but not the only factor. Asians are not a single group either and to lump them together is a disservice to their traditional different backgrounds and heritages. You also know that Asian groups have different social structures that include the extended family model; whereas, the current American model is focused on the nuclear family unit. Currently Asians don't have much political power, but that is strictly a function of being a small minority.

Your statement about me pounding my chest is far from the truth. I find a certain sadness since Obama won reelection and the continuation of the vitriolic comments coming from the right. I wrote this article specifically to be over the top and hyperbolic as an example of how it impacts on others, knowing full well I was going to get flamed.

BTW, an old white Jew in Shorewood doesn't have the power to grant permission to anyone. Also, hard work is not something that is only a conservative value.

@Luke....I don't understand why you are obsessed with Democrats verses Republicans. Democrats as well as Republicans make up the power structure. I don't have sufficient knowledge of the Ivy League admissions policies to comment or refute your claims.

@Luke...I don't disagree that women can and do have different needs and have different perspectives. Now, I think part of it is definitely nature, but a good share is also nurture. From my perspective, women are still trying to work out means to managing their positions in regards to their traditional caregiver roles. If any woman decides to pursue her career or profession in lieu of family, that has to be her choice. Of course the alternative is also valid where a woman chooses family over career. All of these things are still being worked out. Other societies recognize the issue and have put in place social structures to help women with the problem.

I would welcome a separate discussion of women, but not on this thread.

@Luke...Not all of us are motivated by material success. Knowledge and the search for truth is a reward in and of itself.

Lyle,

That was a non-response. You depicted the white males as being ready to fight for the power and money the once had, and subverting the emergence of the other groups by depicting them as lazy and unwilling to work.

As I have demonstrated, there is absolutely nothing that can stop any racial or ethnic group that possesses the desire and drive to improve their economic condition. Nor is there a group represented by the evil white man standing in the way of any group that as attempted to do so. Your comment that Asians have improved their status because they have worked to do so proves my point, although for some bizarre reason you think that saying that people benefitting from ambition is some kind of anomolous phenomenon specific to Asians that can't be replicated by anyone other than, perhaps, whites.

Again, the Asians did not sneak by the watchful eye if the white male. On the contrary, they took full advantage of what was offered them; the few places they fell short they blamed themselves. They now average double the income of the average American income of which they are a part.

Your type of American is the type that divides and conquers, Lyle. You take away the dream of people before they even get started by providing them with a narrative that involves conspiracy, and a distrust that fosters prejudice against the white male. Thank goodness that you and your type are being ignored by a good number of minorities.

.Not all of us are motivated by material success. Knowledge and the search for truth is a reward in and of itself.

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Well, when minorities fail to follow your narrative and actually become successful, perhaps you can use that comment as a fallback argument as how the minority has been cheated.

@Luke....I don't understand why you are obsessed with Democrats verses Republicans. Democrats as well as Republicans make up the power structure. I don't have sufficient knowledge of the Ivy League admissions policies to comment or refute your claims.

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Lyle,

Aren't the progressive of which you spoke Democrats? I said nothing about Republicans that I can remember. In fact, I only mentioned Democrats once (and spelled it incorrectly), so I don't know why you say I am obsessed.

Lyle said:

I wrote this article specifically to be over the top and hyperbolic as an example of how it impacts on others, knowing full well I was going to get flamed.

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If that's truly the case, and it's also the case for Jason here and all the other "pundits" who are running with the same theme at the moment, then I guess what we're experiencing right now, following about 15 minutes of post-election "we have to work together now and get things done", is an almost instantaneous return to the bile spewing everyone decries during the campaigning cycle.

This will be good news for the folks at Patch. I don't think it could survive on grand openings for cupcake stores. helpful organic meal planning tips and school related blurbs alone.

@Luke...You state: "Well, when minorities fail to follow your narrative and actually become successful, perhaps you can use that comment as a fallback argument as how the minority has been cheated."

Your implication is that I was addressing motivation for others to follow, which I was not. My statement is one in which material success is not the only measure of success.

@Luke...You were the one who introduced Asians into the discussion. You won't get a disagreement from me that anyone can change their status for the better if they work long enough and hard enough. However, what you fail to acknowledge is the social structural organization that favors the white majority. If you follow the comments on the Patch, you would find how threatened white males are to the changes in the structure to the point of being reactionary. Your "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" statements are only partially true. One of the major variables in the moving up strategies is support towards success. Do you really think it's helpful to have people constantly calling you lazy, stupid, a moocher, immoral, etc. This is the control mechanisms utilized by those who are reactionary to change. The dialogue must change to encourage success.

You only assert that the power structure favors white males. You did nothing. more than that. Unfortunately, you are going to have to do more than assert something that is contrary to obvious facts to have any chance at gaining ground in this discussion. My comments are based upon government studies, and I will introduce more government studies in minority success when the topic is about success and not your conspiracy theory.

Oh.....And, Lyle, I agree that there are those who take advantage of the system. You have agreed that there are some that do that. I believe, however, that most do not know how to break the poverty cycle, nor would many of them have the willpower to do so.

As I've demonstrated elsewhere, studies show that many are socialized to be poor, and the desire to take the steps to remedy the situation is not something that they can find within themselves. But no one is standing in their way in those situations, and they are getting the rewards that come with their conduct.

Lyle,

I missed your comment about Asians being a small minority. Wrong once again. In a year or two they will surpass the Hispanics in population.

You need to stop making excuses for failure. Most Asians already have. Your narrative fosters hatred and failure.

Lyle,

Get with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0

Luke

I agree that Lyle is a bigot. Bigots exist everywhere. I could even be one myself and not know it. However, let's stamp it out whenever we come across it.

@Neil A....A little overreaction on your part. I am not a violent person and I don't have any weapons. My question to you is, since you have reacted the way that you have, did I touch a nerve?

@Luke...What type of bigotry am I guilty of?

Lyle,

Drink some coffee. You put forth a conspiracy theory that involved a new moment by white males. You are a bigot.

@Luke...I am not putting forth any conspiracies. We have a social structural situation that benefits primarily white males.

Lyle,

Well, perhaps someone wrote the second to last paragraph of your article for you and you did not read it. It describes a scenario which involves white males mobilizing to retain an imaginary power.

And, again, you are not making direct contact with my initial comments. I have shown you that there are no racial barriers that are being mobilized. Read what I said and refute it if you can, or stop wasting my time. The rich are a group of minorities called Asians, and anyone who wants to imitate them can do so. Heck, turn on CNBC right every morning and see the wealthy minorities being interviewed day after day.

@Lyle. I must admit. You did touch a nerve. What you are doing is promoting hatred towards a certain segment of the population based on the color of their skin and economic status. Pitting one group against the other. And then sitting back and laughing.

@Neil A Thanks for the best laugh of the day!

@Neil A...LMAO! You have to lighten up dude.

I don't find the racism and bigotry towards one group that you are promoting a laughing matter. And you are making my party, Democrats look very bad.

@Bewildered....A racist charlatan is something that doesn't quite fit. My history would be anything but racist and as far as a charlatan, that is your opinion of me when you are unable to take me on based on the merit of an argument.

Lyle, "take me on"? Don't flatter yourself. I have no desire or intention on engaging you. That would be a total waste of time. But I will call you out when your true racist, charlatan colors shine thru your normal pseudo intellectual drivel. You, sir, are the perfect example of a taker in our society. Get off your computer and actually do something for your community. I hear Gwen Moore is looking for a WMW ( or is it a Jewish WASP?) for her staff.

@Bewildered...If you're not willing to engage in a dialogue but continue your ad hominem attacks, then why do you continue to comment?

Dialogue Lyle? Hardly. It is your spewing of hate against what you so brilliantly have coined WMW, followed by overwhelming rebuttal of your warped views. Where are all your normal defenders? Even they know you have jumped the shark and do not want to be associated with your racist view of America.

@Bewildered....American Apartheid got your attention. Good, it had the intended impact.

Internet tip 438, photo credits are in the lower left of the image. This concludes today's Internet lesson. Please remit payment which 50% will end up in the federal hands and 7.5% in the states. 57% of your payment is now out of the hands of the private economy. 100% of your payment is owed to China incurring compound interest.

Come back soon

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Small business

LOL ^

@Randy 1949....No I didn't post the picture. You can give that credit to some ultra right wing moron.

►Randy. I am sorry but I forgot to charge you 5.1% sales tax. I can not see how our transaction is tax exempt so this must be passed along. This will be used to fight voter ID in the liberal courts. Total tax liability of our transaction is 62.6%.

►Lyle You are a bitter old man who resorts to personal name calling and attacks when backed into a corner. Either defend 62.6% tax bills free cell phones or accept that this is the America you voted for and created.

Oh, so you're the intellectual who posted the picture, which manages to defame Ronald Reagan's political legacy. Good going!

Welcome to the internet, glad you finally figured it out. Regan would have rained in this program by now and expensive cell phones were not around in it's creation. Obama has only promoted and expanded it. mmm mm mmm

@Randy... Which picture defames Reagan's legacy and why?

@Steve -- I will trade you the internet tutoring in exchange for helping you to spell 'Reagan' and choose the proper verb (reined) in regards to how he would have curtailed the free phone program. Now we're even.

Care to explain how President Obama expanded the program? Have they changed the criteria about who qualifies? Or would you rather see them using two tin cans and a string?

I would rather not pay for these phone on MY bill. If you would like to donate to this "cause" please post a picture of your cashed check above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56cx5Dt3WaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRNWIWyWmRI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaSs01SW1u8&feature=relmfu

Hey Lyle, I see your new nom de plume is WPN1488

I am half way above you with a first name of Steve. You are now entailment to half of my half mean meaning I must work harder to regain that quarter. With Obama taking half of my half and you taking half of my half I must now go on government assistance to feed my family and make my escalade house and cell phone payments. Since I no longer spend as much owing halves of halves to outside parties the economy collapses. Your economy collapses as mine does as your half of a half no longer comes in. You default on payments and your family starves. You now go on government assistance to make food house and Honda payments.

Aren't you glad you wanted to be the next Steve and to vote Obama?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Wisconsin_Gubernatortial_Election_Results_by_County,_2012.svg/245px-Wisconsin_Gubernatortial_Election_Results_by_County,_2012.svg.png

See blue? Live your statement.

What do these all have in common? All have either a white mother or father, or both. Missing from this election, the fact that Obama's mother was white. Why is he so ashamed of his mother's heritage.

@mau .... interesting points that I hadn't thought of. I'm sure he didn't bring up his mother because it did not benefit him politically. I think Romney should have played more to the fact that his father was born in Mexico.... I thought it was a huge missed opportunity to bond with the Latino vote. He should have incorporated the phrase "My Mexican born father said..... " in every speech. People hear it enough and they start believing it. It's what the left does all the time.....

Mike: I thought the same thing. I do not know why Romney avoided using that spin. Lord knows Obama would have been using it if he didn't have the whole Kenya spin.

Companies plan massive layoffs as Obamacare becomes reality

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/nov/8/picket-companies-plan-massive-layoffs-obamacare-be/

Thank you Obama

Ah, I see Mini-me is out and about this morning.

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Aww -- cute! Can you make one of those bunnies too?

@Randy1949 & Randy1949 I just want you both to know that I like the fake Randy better! LOL

@jason... I didn't ask why you voted... I asked if they would have won in those scenarios? There are A LOT of people who voted for Obama because he is black. There are A LOT of people who voted for Baldwin because she is a woman. There are A LOT of people who voted for Baldwin because she is gay.

You referring the the President as (half) black is a racist statement in itself. You really need to get out of the bubble of Greendale more often. How would you like it if people referred to your as (half) stupid?

Jason...you'll vote for anyone whom will oppress religiosity to extinction...tell me Jason, based on the right here, right now...whom is more closed minded, religion?...or those whom use government to oppress religious beliefs?. Please go away...After your "fictional with a purpose" article on an "interveiw with Mitt" you have proven your hate of people with physical challenges...so you are no longer qualified, in my head, to even have an opinion in this matter...excuse me will I vomit...

I did not vote for these candidates based on race or gender or sexual preference. I did not vote for them because they do not represent my own personal values in any way, shape or form. At this point I feel this way about the entire Democrat party. They are not the all-inclusive party that they profess to be.

This whole election centered around women's sexual life styles. How low has our society sunk to base a vote on sexual activities.

Why would anymore bother to seek employment anymore. You can see by this election who has been rewarded for their lack of hard work.

How, exactly, has anyone been rewarded for lack of hard work? All I see is repudiation of a vague tax plan that had little chance of stimulating our economy or lowering our deficit and debt. I don't see poverty assistance programs being raised to luxury levels.

don't you love having to babysit an adult?

@Denise Konkol .... I totally agree with you deleting his post, however, why did you not delete Lyle's whole article. The article uses derogatory stereotypes to argue a point.... WASP is a derogatory term. Or what about Jason's article on "Crusty old White men"?

just saying.....

Blocked from commenting at all? Unless you can block his IP addresss your threat is meaningless. But then he could also post through an anonymous website. So your threat is basically meaningless. He'll just sign up with a different name. The big issue is Lyle's racism he spews. Why is this blog post not deleted? He's advocating hatred and "death" toward one segment of the population. Those are pretty strong words. What if I wrote a blog post about how Jews are money grubbing tools. That is a derrogatory strereotype. Would I be banned for life from the Patch?

@Neil A-- Yes, you just can't keep a troll down. It's a shame.

Considering that they can't seem to keep the fake Randy1949 off the site, I have little reason to think that they will actually block anyone from commenting...

@CowDung -- One encouraging sign is that Mini-Me only has a few comments to his(?) name each time he pops up. I hope that mean the mods are deleting the account each time. Sooner or later, they'll run out of patience.

@Militant. I am a Liberal Democrat and agree with your comment 100%.

@Militant Duck....You are discounting people's intelligence. Every since Obama was elected the first time, the right has challenged that he was and is unqualified to be president and was only elected because he was a well spoken man of color. Even if that was true for his first election, that claim is no longer valid when he was elected the second time.

The claim is still valid Lyle when you consider the base that voted for him. Who voted for him Lyle? All the groups that want to continue to be taken care of and keep a seat at the government trough. You can say that it was a vindication, if you like, but I see it as a bigger issue in this country where people are afraid to lose their "free stuff". The problem? It isn't free. Obama's whole "share the wealth attitude" is a bigger reason why he was elected this time. He has demonized, though he says he is for them, small business owners and entrepreneurs. He wants to hire more onto the government dole and the problem is that the government does not and is not designed to turn a profit as his way of creating jobs. He does not have a plan to create jobs. If he did he would have met with his Jobs Council. He has shown me, the average citizen, that he has no concern whatsoever for fixing this.

And Lyle, I do not discount people's intelligence at all. I just question their motives.

Neil,

I realize that we have some, in the conservative party, that are just like Mr Ruble as tried to peg us all as. Mr Ruble has tried to paint a picture of the Conservative Party as old white male racists and bigots, Archie Bunkers if you will. The funny thing is that I don't see the Liberal Party, as a whole, in the way that I view the article he wrote. I do see both sides of this issue but also realize that there is a happy medium we can get to without trying to incite and inject racism into it as he has clearly tried to do.

Lyle wrote: "Every since Obama was elected the first time, the right has challenged that he was and is unqualified to be president and was only elected because he was a well spoken man of color. Even if that was true for his first election, that claim is no longer valid when he was elected the second time."

Actually Lyle, I am still waiting for something to indicate he is qualified (beyond the basic Constitutional requirements) to hold the office.
for National Security we have Fast and Furious
for Foreign Affairs we have Benghazi
for the Economy we have 6 TRILLION in new debt and 12%+ unemployment
and for Emergency Response we apparently now have Sandy.

Yup, I'm still waiting for something to show me he truly is qualified to lead this country!

All of the racist white males can at least count on one thing: Blacks make up 12% of the population. Statistically speaking, we won't have another black President for 64 years. If we do- we can always go to the White American Civil Liberties Union and claim inequality.
We already have had a Jew on the ticket and a Catholic, so things are looking good.
We got a two for one deal with Obama because he is not only Black, he is a Muslim sympatheizer- so that removes Muslims from the quota too.
We just need a Wicken Hermaphrodite and we're all good.

@Craig.... we probably already have had a wiccan hermaphrodite elected.... but just didn't know it.... lol

Mike in OC: It is possible that we did in the past. But in today's society, that person would flaunt their differences to be elected on that basis alone. Nevermind that they are inept and incapable of the job, not voting for this person would mean we are 'intolerant'.
Based on Lyle's grand illusion that is what we have to look forward to; some freak with gauges in their ears the size of donuts, and a rainbow tatoo across the face, oh and of course implanted horns.

@mau....Sorry, I don't see it as our demise. Why shouldn't everyone have an equal opportunity to apply themselves and succeed to the best of their abilities. I actually see it as quite liberating. There resides the potential for positive change when women and other groups are able to compete equally. Why shouldn't white males compete from the same point as anyone else?

Lyle,

You miss the greater point of your statement as it relates to the liberal thinking. My observation, of conservatism, is that everyone starts out equally and you control your destiny. My observation, of liberalism, is that everyone starts out at the same point but moves ahead equally. See the difference Lyle. In your model there is no reason for me to do a better job when I will only get moved along with the lowest factor in my group. What is the reason for me to succeed when the wealth I made will just be distributed to those who didn't or won't push themselves. Notice I did not say couldn't. For those that can't, for valid reasons, I believe that we owe it to them to bring them along. Your thoughts provide opportunity and advancement for those who refuse to better themselves.

You know what else Lyle feels liberating? Tucking his penis in, Dressing up in woman's clothes, putting makeup on and hitting the clubs to go dancing. The feel of the silky garments against his skin. Lifting off the expectations of the "male dominated" culture he lives in. But for a brief moment, Lyle is free from those shackles.

@Lyle: Neil A said, "Lyle is free from those shackles"
Lyle, Neil wants to put y'all back in chains!
Wonder if that is racist?
Your opinion lyle?

The true ones, like myself, are not. We're living in a post-racial country now. It's just the "whacked out" ones like Lyle that like to stir things up. And the ones that truly love the Democratic party, want to make comprises, want to work with Republicans and love this country have to continually apologize and make excuses for people like Lyle. Look at the younger kids today. They don't really see or care about race. They are so much more tolerant then people like Lyle.

Edward,

You bring up a great point in your question. I have no idea and cannot even begin to fathom what the reason is other than it is a way for them to cleanse their souls of guilt or maybe even demonize the political right. Whatever the reason it is funny that they seem to be more concerned with the color of someone's skin than the issues at hand when it comes to politics. I was told, by a 20 year-old college student, that conservatives hate Barrack because of the color of his skin and that the fact he is a tax and spend democrat has nothing to do with it. Most of your younger liberals, it sure seems, have been brain washed by the education system to feel guilty about what they have, who they are and their status in life. They do say that if you are completely obsessed with homosexuality that you just might have those tendencies, so...

Diversity is great--as long as they aren't Mormons, right?
Bigot.

Vicki, lyle not spewing hate and fear mongering? Did you not read his rant?

"The proponents of the White Male Dominate Society are so fearful that many are now arming themselves in preparation for the time when the “others” come to take away their material possessions and possibly their lives."

Vicki, you are correct. He does not hate white males. He just believes that white males did not vote for Barrack based on the color of his skin but leaves out the fact that over 95% of all blacks voted for Barrack. Now, you can say that they did not vote for him because of the color of his skin but that brings up a bigger issue. Why did they? Was it because the economy os improving? No, because if that was true then there would be no QE3. Is it because he has done an awesome job being bipartisan and bringing this country together? No, because if it was he would not have told conservatives that they could only come along for the ride. Is it because he decreased the debt or reduced the deficit? No because if it was then we wouldn't be spending $1.40 for every $1 brought in and our debt would not have grown over 6 trillion in the last 3 and a half years. Is it because he created jobs? No, because those "shovel ready jobs" would have been more shovel ready and not a punch line for one of his few news conferences. So why was it exactly? I leave you with race and the endless government trough.

Or: "greedy affluent white males and females who are subverting the emergence of the other groups in an attempt to hang onto their power of privilege, dominance and influence."

And finally:

"We cannot forget that as long as we allow the White Male Society to control all the power, we’ll continue to live in an American Apartheid."

Anyone unfortunate enough to be exposed to Lyle's drivel knows that he picks his words very carefully so he can later deny their true intent. I, for one, do not accept his vision of America. I do not accept his desire for a United States of Europe, sponsored by China. I do not accept his hate ( albeit stated or not so cleverly implied) against successful white women and men.

Vicki....why are you assuming we are all white? By our names? Isn't that profiling? How narrow minded.

@GearHead...Pretty myopic analysis. The growth in government assistance has been going on now for 35 years. From the Stagnation of Nixon/Ford/Carter, the Reagan Recession, to the Great Recession, the lower classes have lost opportunities to gain meaningful employment. Even before Obama took office, the overall unemployment rate in the distressed areas was three times the national unemployment numbers and for youth, 45 to 55 percent. The Great Recession has pushed more people to the bottom and onto government assistance. As jobs come back the numbers on assistance will decline. The global economic environment has more impact on the slow recovery and global economics must get generally better before the domestic economy is able to make the kinds of gains we're looking for. The conditions we are experiencing are temporary and we will eventually move out of the morass we find ourselves in.

Sorry Lyle, but reality isn't squaring with you. Thanks to another Obama victory, layoffs and firings seem to be the growth industry. Making moochers more equal by cutting more jobs isn't a very good recovery strategy. It is a death spiral, but necessary survival of business, being their taxes, regulations and health care costs are destined to skyrocket. You just shot yourself in the foot. Don't you see Atlas Shrugging? Try this, just since election day:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/how-many-businesses-have-announced-closings-or-lay-offs-since-obama-won-a-second-term/

Lyle- What planet do you come from? You just proved how moronic you are , your total lack of intellect, and twisted view of history. Reagan recession??? We've tried your socialist agenda for 60 years. At the start of the Great Society, poverty was 15%, and up until 2008, was still 15%. Since Obama? Hmmm...let's see, poverty is 15%. Yep Lyle, this is election is sure going to change things.

@Brian Dey...Besides the ad hominem attack, you don't understand the progressive movement at all. Maybe it's time for you to journey back to Texas and talk with Dick Armey about the going forward strategy. You have such a narrow view of history and the facts. You should be old enough to remember the devastating Reagan Recession. Convenient recall on your part.

Lyle- Yes, but it is not factual to call it Reagan's Recession. You do remember the Carter Administration? The Reagan part of the Recession was considered part of the double-dip recession. If you are going to raise this, you have to acknowledge, like you do with Bush, that Reagan had inherited a mess. Not only was he faced with a down-turned economy, but also double digit inflation. It would be the same as me not acknowledging the conditions Obama came into. And I'm pretty sure that I never exonerated Bush. What I do know is that progressives have been claiming the so called failed policies of the past and not acknowleding that they actually worked under Reagan. The GDP growth went from a meager +.03 tp +5.6. In perspective, Obama has remained relatively flat close to +1.7. Reagan also had to deal with inflation so his focus shifted to lowering the marginal tax rates and substantially lowering capital gains taxes. The result was a growth in investments and the unemployment level dropping to 20 year lows.

Certainly, those were different times, but many economists believe in that theory. Also, because of the backlash of the media and fellow Republicans, George H.W. Bush lost what should have been a sure re-election because he raised the marginal tax rates in a compromise with the Democrats. That broken promise still haunts Conservatives.

Anti, I could not have said it better myself. And I wish I would have.

@The Anti-Alinsky. You nailed it. And it has progressed that way ever since. And if we go farther back to the 1790 's only white male adult property-owners have the right to vote. Someone needs to tell Lyle this is 2012.

@The Anti-Alinsky....You picked your points of history very carefully. To claim that the primary motivation for the Civil War wasn't exclusively slavery but had everything to do with the emerging industrial revolution and change of economic institutions. After the war the "Radical Republicans", as they were called, used the freedmen as a pawn in denying political identity and resurrection to the southern states. They also used the freedmen to punish the defeated southerners. What you left out was the emergence of Jim Crow, denial voting rights, etc. The 14th Amendment was only the beginning and the process wasn't finalized until 1964, 1965 and 1968, pushed by progressives. Women finally achieved suffrage only after battles lasting more than a century, again pushed by progressives.

I don't think the dominate white male power structure ever envisioned a loss of majority and an ultimate loss of power. That's why there is such a strong reactionary movement at hand.

There Lyle goes again. Giving everyone a free history lesson. Here's a clue Lyle, anyone can google. Most just don't pretend it's their own thoughts

True Lyle, slavery was not the only cause of the Civil War, but it was one of the largest AND it was the spark that set off the powderkeg.

To think that the Radical Republican's only motivation to grant citizenship to former slaves is disingenuous. They already had De-facto control of the Southern states through the military. Thanks to carpetbaggers they had control of the statehouses as well. To believe that they only did this as a power-play of some type is to believe the leaders at the time could not see past their nose.

And while you are right that, thanks to Southern Democrat leaders )like Richard Byrd, George Wallace, Ross Barnett and many many others), all sorts of silly laws and social rules were put in place to limit the freedoms African-Americans. It did take a lot of hard work, blood, sweat and tears on the part of both races to enact and enforce Civil Rights legislation. There have been white leaders in those Civil Rights battles from day one.

However...since the Civil Rights movement ended around 1980 until now, the battle has not been within society, but within individuals themselves. Thanks to legislation and public awareness, society is accepting of African-American's as full and equal citizens. But because of certain archaic upbringings, there are still too many individuals that still see them as inferior.

Our challenge today is to improve the plight of individuals, not race.

So Lyle, why not comments about women and the 19th Amendment?

@Bewildered...Google is a great resource, but in the scope of things, search engines have only been around for a relatively short period of time. Most of the knowledge that I have was attained the old fashioned way through experience, research and reading.

The Anti-Alinsky...The Women's Suffrage Movement began in England in the early 19th century. It was imported, as a movement, to the United States shortly thereafter. Not only was the issue the right to vote, but rights to own property. In my opinion, the twentieth century was also the Century of the Woman. Led and pushed by progressives, American society has finally granted full and equal rights to women. We are now in the process of determining and implementing those rights. The newest group seeking full tights is the LGTB Community. This is still in process but will eventually lead to this group's full social acceptance, including rights granted to all citizens.

Lyle- Again, Moron! The civil War was exclusively because of the desire to abolish slavery. The Jim Crow laws were established in southern states by southern Democrats. Those progressives you claim, WERE REPUBLICANS. Wow, what KKK history book did you read?

You are a total lying liberal bigot.

@Brian Dey...From your comments about the Civil War, you have just proven your lack of knowledge about US History. You are correct about one thing and that it was the Southern Democrats who instituted Jim Crow and segregation. However, it was the US Supreme Court in their decision in Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) that established the states rights to determine separate but equal. Those were not democrats who sat on the bench. The Progressive Movement incorporated both Republicans and Democrats and constituted group outside the traditional parties. Therefore, the Southern Democrats refused to accept desegregation and after the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, jumped parties and became Republicans. Quite literally the Republican party accepted the Democratic garbage resulting in the Republican Party shifting radically to the right.

Lyle- I really hate proving you so blatantly wrong on history, but againslavery was the THE issue causing the Civil War. Perhaps those who attribute “fight against slavery” as the cause of the Civil War are not as “simplistic” as indicated. A relationship is indicated in all 5 causes, so obviously they are not separate from slavery. It does seem central. Free labor in the North, slave labor in the South. Major reason for nullification: maintain slavery. Conflict over western lands: slavery. Major reason South seceeded: slavery. Reason Lincoln could not maintain union of states: slavery. Production of cotton demanded: slavery. It is more simplistic that so many in the South maintain that it was a fight over state’s rights as indeed it was: a fight by the South to maintain slavery. It seems your view of history is more in line with the Confederacy historical claims.

After the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, white voters who became tolerant of diversity began voting against Democratic incumbents for GOP candidates. The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great Depression. Rising educational levels and rising prosperity in the South, combined with shifts to the left by the national Democratic Party on a variety of socio-economic issues, led to widespread abandonment of the Democratic Party by white voters and Republican dominance in many Southern states by the 1990s and 2000s.

Cont...

Lyle- Cont... The Plessy v. Ferguson decision was a decision brought forth to challenge laws involving equal protection andwas later penned as the "seperate but equal" ruling and was overturned by the 1954 ruling in Brown v.Kansas Board of Education.

Of the 7 justices that ruled in the affirmative, Fuller managed Stephen Douglas's campaign against Lincoln; Field was an elected Democrat to the California State Legislature; Jackson was a Democratic Senator from Tennessee; White enlisted in the Confederate Army and his father was a slave owner; Shiras was an independent; Gray was an independent; Brown testified in his nomination proceedings that "biology of whites made them far superior to blacks".

Justice Harlan, who wrote the dissent, was a former slve owner but remained faithful to the Union and was the only voting member who was Republican. So again Lyle, I see no connection to the Republican Party as you assert.

I think you need to stop reading history books through those blue-tinted glasses.

Another fake Randy1949? If you post under someone else's identity, how can we trust anything you say to be true?

@CowDung -- Yup, that's Mini-Me again. I guess four years of Obama has impoverished him so much that he can't even afford his own screen name. It's really sad.

Amen ! ( tho Lyle won't hide in his downsized Shorewood man cave for long, trust me). If any one wants to join him, just look for the house with the WMW/Jewish and Catholic WASPs coalition drum circle picketing outside. I'm sure Patch will have photos soon,

@Militant Duck...Perception is a funny thing, facts are a function of reality, which is dependent on perception. I'll ask you the question; how do you know what you know? Even someone who is psychotic has a reality, it just isn't shared with the consensus of other realities.

Lyle,

I see you are back from your nap and I am on my lunch, taking a break from my job that provides you that nap. I know what I know from life experiences as well as having traveled the world as a soldier seeing how other countries operate. I haven't sat in classrooms gaining my experience through a professor whose only experiences and knowledge come from the very same books he spews from. But, I did gain a degree through those very same institutions only to have those very same professors try to tell me how the world I saw was not the one I saw. I call it the "Emerald City" approach to learning. Who dares question the Great and Powerful Oz, even when Oz has no clue how the real world, beyond their classroom, really works. As I said previously, you have no clue how this conservative thinks but you want to spew out perceptions to make others think you do.

@Ruble's Conscious... You have now raised my curiosity as to what the Gate Keepers of the Emerald City were claiming as reality and how that differed from your experience and reality.

@Hoffa
I am seriously Surprised that you are Surprised. Lyle Liberal logic and the sheep they herd to the polls on election day are the problem . Its Ignorance mixed with Insane Academia which simply lacks the basic knowledge of the obvious.

Schmitzy must have kept the 50 bucks he owes Hoffa to take Lyle to Silk.

@JRH...I figured we needed some red meat to chew on after the election. What you understand, but it is apparent that few others do, is that by introducing such over the top concepts fuels discussions where there is much to be learned. You notice how the usual liberals have avoided joining in on this. Doesn't surprise me and I expected to get flamed. In all seriousness, we white males are going to have to get used to being in an ever diminishing minority. Just look at the demographics of the nation. The smart money is on adaptation and flexibility.

I don't hang with Schmitz, he may want to hit me up for $50. You know me, short arms and deep pockets.

BTW...Did you catch the piece that Noel wrote? Now that is one angry passionate lady.

Red Meat Lyle? You shoulda went with Pork- the other white meat.
Is that Kosher to say?

We're not all brainless or don't see the future Lyle. White's in general, not just white males, are going to have to get married and reproduce. Not continue to kill off their race with abortion and birth control. You don't see this dominant in other cultures or the upper class.

@Lyle. I think Hitler made the right decision exterminating Jews in concentration camps. It was a great way to get rid of people that disagreed with him.

I'm just introducing an over the top concept that fuels discussion. There is much to be learned for these discussions. I'm expecting to get flamed by this comment. But we will all learn something.

Lyle Ruble the new Patch Shock Jock.

Look out Patzfahl for Lyle's next piece he is righting a 'fictional' interview with the fake Randy1949.

@Lyle -

OK, Hoffa is beginning to understand your point, which is more well defined by you in the comments section than in the body of your actual blog itself.

As far as hitting you up for $50 - they don't call you the sugar daddy for nothin ;-)

Finally, as to the alias Ms. Lorraine - Hoffa avoids her like the plague and strongly advises that all others to do the same! Hoffa will not say anything more on this subject in a public forum.

@JRH -- Wow, so I guess you weren't the one who warned her she had her comments turned off.

Randy could probably have told you this ahead of time and without having met the lady in person.

@Randy1949 -

Apparently Randy was far wiser about that topic than Hoffa initially was. As Apollo Creed said in Rock IV "well you know, some folks got to learn the hard way" and unfortunately, that was Hoffa :-(

http://www.hark.com/clips/kywbdxtbdc-some-folks-got-to-learn-the-hard-way

@Craig...It's funny that you should mention the "other white meat". It is very popular for many in Israel and referred to as white meat. I catch your drift. :-)

@The Anti-Alinsky....Never been to the Silk, is it worth the cover charge. I don't think they would let me stay since I would try to organize the dancers.

LOL

Lyle wrote: "...I don't hang with Schmitz, he may want to hit me up for $50. You know me, short arms and deep pockets..."

Lyle, I retract my comment about Silk. That gave me a smile for the first time since Tuesday.

Sounds Like Lyle is back tracking ...Now this is just some red meat he wants on to chew on but not his real view? Being a Liberal isnt not that hard. You just have to have your brain modified to drum up racism over common sense . Than promote an agenda that will 100 % fail . Than call everyone in the failed a experiment of social justice a VICTIM . The true victim is anyone who believes this CRAP! It is just clueless babble that has no basis in Real solutions .

That doesn't compare to the $150K I lost over a few weeks time back in 2008. Yes, the market is panicking because people are selfish idiots. Nothing new there.

And has The Blaze done a similar piece featuring the most ignorant the GOP has to offer?

"The economic issues Mitt Romney hammered on were nowhere to be found"

No, no, no. These kids are young, and they haven't been able to see with their own eyes that supply-side economics do not work. Never have, never will. If Mitt Romney had anything to offer other than more of the same, he failed to give us any details. The Dark Age social policies of the GOP were just icing on the cake.

Randy: Unless you are a millionaire, losing that much in 2008 means you were a fool who doesn't pay attention to diversification. Almost any investment article talks about becoming more conservative with investments as you age. Any financial adv or planner would have also pointed that out.
I'm sorry you lost that much, but you have only yourself to blame.

I didn't 'lose' it, Craig. It regained its value. I managed to liquidate only the 'cash' holdings as needed, so that's your diversification.

Actually there was no diversification if there was such a swing, period.
Dumb luck is better than no luck at all.
Glad you were lucky though.
After all that- have you seen anyone to review your holdings? There is a guy here on Patch who writes articles if you're looking for a cFP.

What's even more ironic is how the MSM is explaining the cause of the current stock market crash - blaming it on instability in and questions about European solvency. Like it has nothing to do with the re-election of Obama.

If this isn't concrete proof of MSM bias, then Hoffa doesn't know what is!

Ah, Stormy -- your usual sweet self, I can see.

No need to look for videos of GOP ignorance. It's all too apparent here on the Patch.

Shame on you Randy1949, I don't consider you ignorant. I may not agree with you but I have had some respectful differences of opinion with you.

No, seriously Randy. Find where the MSM has done a video featuring bobble headed sheep spewing ignorance on their reasoning for voting. I would have to say that you will not find one. Almost every single reason for those kids voting was some lame Democrat talking point from the news or a commercial. Some of them don't have a clue as to why they were in line let alone on e major issue that confronts our nation's stability.

Have you decided to express your “reverse” or “experiential” prejudice today? You are obviously wearing your “old tattered overcoat” for all to see. After posting such drivel, you really need to “search your own soul” before schooling others regarding prejudice.

Now there’s some “red meat to chew on.” Try not to choke on it.

@patchreader 123 -

Nice, very nice!

@patchreader 123...Mea culpa my friend. Almost as soon as Obama was declared the winner, the MSM and the internet lit up with all kinds of garbage about how the election was won and generally discounted the intelligence of the electorate. I had already determined that if Obama and Baldwin won their respective races, that it was due to a shift from the old established power structure to a new coalition of special interest groups. From Tuesday evening on the rhetoric became more toxic and pundits and people on the net were trashing minorities, etc. That's when I decided to respond with this blog. My decision to go so far out of bounds and over the top was prompted to immediately redirect people's attention from trashing in general and focus on trashing me and this article.

Now, what do I truly believe; the relationship between the various social forces is highly complex. It is not a left or right issue, but an American issue of social transition. The idea that the male white majority is responsible for all the negative outcomes is absolutely ridiculous. However, the old power system is changing and none of us really know what the final structure will be. As the old ways are more threatened, the reaction will be more heightened. We have to maintain a moderate attitude and to not overreact. Again mea maxima culpa.

@Lyle -- "Almost as soon as Obama was declared the winner, the MSM and the internet lit up with all kinds of garbage about how the election was won and generally discounted the intelligence of the electorate."

For weeks I've been grinning and bearing it while other members of message boards I participate at post 'humorous' digs at the intelligence of Obama supporters. The gist always seems to be that they're poor, black, young, and as dumb as a bucket of mud without the worms. Or that they're after free stuff. That photo I asked about, above, was very familiar.

I was primarily after not returning to the supply-side economics that took us into the nose-dive in 2008.

Lyle, I'd be less likely to scoff at you throwing yourself on the grenade for the good of minorities everywhere if a) this wasn't a theme you'd breeched several times in the past here and b) we didn't have others, both here, and elsewhere, running with it as well. In fact, I've seen far more of this line of thinking glommed onto by media outlets, pundits and other various talking heads deemed to be of a legitimate, knowledgable variety than I have those even mentioning the kinds of attitudes you claim to have given you great concern.

As much as this is, in part, a prelude to Hillary, I'd love nothing better than to see the Republicans put Condi Rice up against her, if for no other reason than to watch the gold-medal gymnastics display involved in the Democratic Party effort to portray her as something less than an authentic black woman.

Any tax is a redistribution of money from one place to another. Interestingly, the more the federal and state marginal rates go down, the more my local taxes go up. Seems like the burden is being redistributed, to me.

You act like Lyle and I never worked a job or paid taxes.

Exactly, and I am tired of it being redistibuted to people who have no will to work because it is in their DNA, handed down from generation to generation or lack of will. You should be too.

Do you know why that is? People downsized, outsourced, and put on part time to make vulture capitalists like Mitt Romney rich begin to see the wisdom of the Democratic point of view. I know that's what turned me from a centrist into someone who would never vote GOP again.

ANd people will continue to downsize and outsource as well as put people on PT so they can reduce the number of FT so they don't have to cover their medical. Compliments of...Obamacare. And as far as you "vulture capitalists"? There are plenty of liberals in that arena so don't toss it all off on us.

@Randy...We been over this many times. It was all made possible by Wiiliam Jefferson Clinton..
Yet you continue to vote democrat.
You want your retirement money to last, yet you vote for the biggest spender in Presidential History! In 4 years Obama has borrowed more money than both Bush's did over 12 years.
Four more years and Obama will have single handedly tanked the Country by borrowing more than all previous Presidents combined!
OY!

The downsizing and outsourcing predated Clinton. I agree -- NAFTA was a huge mistake. But we didn't have those huge deficits under Clinton, because he was willing to raise taxes. I thought you GOP were all for fiscal responsibility?

But to you, Ruble's Conscience, I am honored to continue to go without health insurance so that you can maintain yours. I exist to serve your kind.

Well Randy, when National Healthcare, aka Obamacare, breaks the back of this once great nation then you will see the damage it has caused and I hope that you are still around on that sad day to puff out your chest and bellow from the bottom of your lungs "I built this".

The one and only often imitated, never duplicated Randy:
Yes we had some outsourcing before Clinton, none was in China. Most was clothing and junk shoes made in Vietnam, Korea, etc.
The giant sucking sound came from Clinton (no pun intended) giving China MFN status. Of course there will be outsourcing when labor equates to a bowl of rice a day.Fast forward 15 years, and there is no coffee pots made here, no toasters, no TVs. Bush could have put a stop to it but he did not. Obama also has not. But Obama has outspent Bush 1 and 2, so which is worse?
Raise taxes=cutting jobs+less money to spend=less money in taxes=raise taxes more.... a giant circle jerk.
If you were a CEO of a manufacturing Corp. and were on the ropes due to competition, would you outsource to prevent bankruptcy or not?
Reality sucks...at least for the USA.

Dude -- I pay out of pocket for every medical service i get. Can you say the same?

@Craig -- Did you seriously expect Mitt Romney to do something about China?

I applaud you then Randy1949, you are a better man than I am because you are paying directly out of your pocket for every doctor bill. Although, as the self-appointed "Conscience of Ruble"...I tend to look at things with a skewed view and believe that you may not be telling the truth. I may have to become the "Eyes of Ruble" next to see all of the BS that both of you are spewing.

Actually, I have decided not to become the "Eyes of Ruble" as he tends to view the world with rose colored glasses and I am not a fan of roses.

Splendid. When in doubt, call me a liar.

Randy1949,

I did not call you a liar. I wrote that you may not be telling the truth. You see how I put the liberal spin on that one? I have learned from you libs never to commit myself to anything so I can never be blamed for anything.

Randy: I did expect him to do something about China, afterall who else knows more about outsourcing right?
I have a $5,000 deductible and then pay $60 to see a Dr after the deductible is met.

Hoffa just dropped $5,000 out-of-pocket for medical care for his cat, Maggie.

@JRH -- Randy is sorry to hear that. That means a serious situation, and I hope for the best.

@Randy1949 -

Thanks Randy - she's actually doing quite well considering what she went through!

She had a tumor in her bulla (middle ear) that started spreading. It penetrated and ruptured her ear drum, in addition to growing down her eustachian tube and into her throat, cutting off her airway and esophagus, and had started to wrap itself around a spinal nerve, cutting off instructions from her brain to the rest of her body.

It was successfully removed and the effected areas flushed with a radioactive isotope suspended in a saline solution to kill the 'roots' of whatever it is that caused the tumor to form in the first place (no one really knows for sure, but they suspect that it's somehow linked to the feline herpes virus).

The surgeries are 99.8% successful at preventing a recurrence in the future.

She is, however, still displaying signs of post-op vestibular side effects, ataxia, and Horner's syndrome. The doctors, and most of the texts that Hoffa could find, appear to be in agreement that all of these symptoms should only be transient, while the nerve endings repair themselves and heal, but there is a slight possibility that some of the effects could be permanent.

It's better than her being dead though - Maggie is like a daughter and Hoffa's best friend in the world!

Thanks for your interest and well wishes - that's very kind and much appreciated :-)

Hoffa really went above and beyond for his cat. I admire that. One of mine passed away last night, very peacefully at the age of 18.

@Randy1949 -

Hoffa is truly sorry for your loss but is glad that your cat had a long life and peaceful death - you really couldn't ask for anything more!

Hoffa's mom wanted Hoffa to put Maggie to sleep and spend the money on new carpeting in Hoffa's house. Maggie is only about 4 years old. Hoffa watched his prior cat, Maria Moo, die from cancer at only about 6 years old. Maria actually died in Hoffa's arms after fighting the cancer, unsuccessfully, for three months. Hoffa will never forget - after spending two weeks never leaving her side, Maria finally passed away on the couch in Hoffa's arms while we were watching the end of Star Trek IV and the beginning of Rodney Dangerfield's Back to School on HDNetMovies. That's literally the hardest thing that Hoffa ever went through in his entire life up to this point.

So, when Maggie got sick, Hoffa did the only thing he could do, and that was everything in his power to save her life. Hoffa would sell a kidney if necessary, just so he had the money to help his little girl when she needed him.

Hoffa - Glad your cat is on the mend - sounds scary.
Randy - I am sorry for your loss - my cats are my family and I know how tough it is to lose a pet. Sounds like she lived a good long life but it still hurts.

@JRH -- If it were a choice between a cat or a carpet, I wouldn't even stop to think. A cat's worth more than carpeting. I've had cats die in my lap before, but i never remember the movie I'm watching at the time. I'll keep a good thought for Maggie.

@Sunrocket -- It was a 'he'. And one of our female cats curled up with him to keep him company while he slipped away.

@Sunrocket -

Thank you very much - animals truly are our special friends :-)

Randy - I am glad he had one of his companions to help him over the rainbow bridge. Cats know when someone needs comfort. I lost one about 6 weeks ago and it still hurts. I am a better person because of my cats and I can't imagine life without one or two in the house.

@Randy1949 -

Those choices are the easiest in the world for Hoffa to make as well. Hoffa is still upset at his mother for even suggesting to put Maggie to sleep, even going so far as to call his mother heartless!

@Randy1949 -

Despite our constant partisan bickering back and forth over politics, Hoffa hopes that you realize that Hoffa considers Randy1949 to be a good friend and someone that Hoffa admires and respects greatly - please don't ever forget that!

Same here, Hoffa. I don't take it personally, especially when it becomes so clear that we all have a lot in common if one gets beyond the politics. Heck, I even get along with McBride when we're talking architecture. LOL

Mr. Hoffa, I'm glad that Maggie has such a devoted champion and friend in you. Maggie seems to be a wonderful companion.

At the moment I'm not so sanguine about mine. Within the last month an irreplaceable piece of artwork (brought at great trouble from overseas) were destroyed by claw. I usually find her destructive habits amusing (glassware a specialty), but not this time.

Randy1949- Why don't you read history, and not just bask in the moronic Dem talking points. If you remember, Clinton borrowed from social Security to the tune of $800 million to claim he blanced the budget. Much like the scam that Doyle did with the transportation fund and tobacco settlement. We saw where that got us. And please don't forget that at the end of the Clinton presidency, we were in a recession. I love the lefts revisionist history.

Amen!

@JJ Mc D -

Best to leave those up until we see how the left reacts to Walker's next biennial budget, especially now that the State Senate is safely back in the hands of the GOP, 18 seats to 15 seats.

Will the Dems run to Illinois again?

Furthermore, while I would never insult the intelligence of any ethnicity, culture or gender, to deny that President Obama shrewdly pandered to certain groups for political gain is simply disingenuous. The President’s actions of:
* blocking the Keystone pipeline – appealed to the environmentalist vote;
* requiring health insurance coverage of birth control – appealed to the feminist vote;
* signing an executive order to largely implement the Dream Act – appealed to the Hispanic vote;
* announcing support for same sex marriage – appealed to the vote of Gays; and
* largely gutting Clinton’s welfare reform laws of 1996 – appealed to the economically disadvantaged.

The collective vote of these groups sealed the election in favor of the incumbent. So, regarding pandering, what other inference would any sensible person draw from the foregoing actions? Similar arguments may be made that Romney pandered to the rich. Targeting and benefitting certain voting groups for political gain is the very nature of politics, and President Obama was schooled by the best, namely, the Chicago Machine.

Brian,

I agree that Lyle usually brings up topics worth considering. I don't believe he should [usually] be trashed.

Regarding issues involving women, I have, in the past, provided (and will continue to do so) studies by the government and academic institutions showing that there is little or no discrimination against women. The fact is that they have different values based upon their biology and their socialization. But where discrimination exists, it must be stopped.

Statistics alone do not have a voice; they must be interpreted. To simply assume that less than 50% of women are in any position proves discrimination is about as true as saying that few black people tanning on the beach proves discrimination. The fact is that individuals have attributes unique to them that affect the decisions they make, and they should be encouraged to take satisfaction in whatever informed decision they make.

Than said, it would be good to have more women and minorities in any position, if they desire to attain such a position. Likewise, it would be good to have more minorities and women posing here on the Patch. The fact is that there is something unique about men that make them more prone to post in such forums. It has to do with hormones and brain function. It has nothing to do with white males working dark magic in the shadows of the Internet.

But that's a topic for another day.......

@Luke....I have submitted my next post titled Mea Culpa - Admitting when you're wrong. Because of you I have revisited past positions.

Lyle,

Wow! I look forward to reading that.

Some day I will write something against white men, and my belief that the biological role of males (other than procreation) is becoming at thing of the past. I would also include something about civilization being advanced as it is is largely because of women making men more civilized over the ages.

Is the "Rule of Uniform Better Lectureship Equality" operational in Lyle's next post; henceforth known as the 'RUBLE Rule'?

'(R)ule of (U)niform (B)etter (L)ectureship (E)quality'
-- or just use the convenient acronym RUBLE --

Each white male comment post must be followed one from a women -- RUBLE

That's going to keep Vicki awfully busy.

@Jay Sykes

In Lyles world each white male comment would have to be followed by a male and female of each racial makeup on the earth. And the weight of the comments would be greater the more non-white you are.

I think most people here are just bored.

I agree with Brian. More women should be represented in government. But they need to be hotter then Hillary, the old dried up volleyball. We need cuties like Palin. Maybe structure the format of the primaries to mimic a beauty pageant?

@JayZee...No hatred for White Males, it is a metaphor for the dominate power structure. When the election closed with Obama's victory, that same power structure continued to discount the electorate and promised punishment for making their constitutional choice.

Lyle, give me a break. Fine, here is what we will do. We will all jump on the band wagon that is set to go over the other side of the hill and spend ourselves into submission while continuing to mortgage our futures. Instead of...sound fiscal policy that cuts some of the over 80 welfare programs. You make it seem as if we will be able to continue to tax and spend our way out of this mess just because a tax and spend president was re-elected.

Oh, and don't give me anything about increasing taxes on the wealthy because what we will get from that is just a drop in the bucket compared to what we are borrowing and spending at this time. I hope you don't run your personal finances the same way you think this country should run its finances.