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Why am I Prospering More than a College Graduate? It Doesn't Sound Fair.

After much frustration and striving for knowledge, I wish there was an easier path for young adults entering into the work force. I find myself envious of the college scene. The camraderie and wealth of information is enticing to say the least. I would love to go to college, but after evaluating my life I don't feel it is beneficial.

Graduating early from High School and working full-time throughout senior year, my grades reflected my interests rather than my abilities. Although I was capable of straight A's and B's, I would neglect other classes and independently study the things that captivated me.

Things such as social networking, websites, business, money, investments, partnerships, ethics and morals, SELF REFLECTION and REAL WORLD INFLUENCE captured my attention. These would not be in the curriculum taught in high school, although I was ready and eager to learn them. I am realizing that I will never have enough time to learn AND utilize all of the tools I need if I stick to the standard college curriculum.

Here and now I would like to address the idea of having a reputable place for young adults to be motivated by Mentors and Teachers. The future working class and innovators depend on leadership. Who will direct us on a straight path to success? Who will harbor young adults' freetime, and inspire them to pursue and explore a lucrative passion? We as a community need to pull together and create a curriculum that has real world incentives.

I would like to know if anyone else who has taken the time to read this agrees or disagrees with this stance. I feel that it is crucial to teach what happens behind the scenes in a succesful community, local or worldwide community. Teaching how the world works is no longer just a job for moms and dads, we need REAL WORLD TEACHERS!

Lori Bedard

8:29 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Great point Z-Carpentry. When the GHS school district was preparing to search for a new Superintendent they had surveys done of teachers, staff, parents and students as to what they felt was important. One of the comments that was in report, was that there needs to be another track offered in addition to College.

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Z-Carpentry.com

6:13 am on Friday, November 2, 2012

Yes, "In addition to college" sounds great. I am in no way advising not to go to college. That was a personal stance that I would like to change... We need doctors, lawyers, architects and engineers etc etc... However, I am working for a doctor at the moment and can see a complete lack of what I view to be common sense. An additional course or track may help students to become "well rounded"... also traveling is a great thing, I want more students to travel.

Craig

8:32 am on Friday, November 2, 2012

Work sometimes is a lot like High School and College, you can be assigned to things that are not on your list of interesting topics. Failure is not an option unless you want to be searching for a new job. Bosses are like teachers, sometimes you get a good one and sometimes you end up with an ass.
If there is something specific that you would like to do for a living, take a few classes that are applicable to that field. At least then you can explain to the person interviewing you for the job that you did not want to take all the bs classes that are just fluff.
Apprenticeships are available in the trades, but with many journeyman on the bench it is not likely any Company will hire an apprentice.

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Z-Carpentry.com

12:46 pm on Friday, November 2, 2012

http://portwashington-wi.patch.com/blog_posts/5-ways-to-make-sure-college-is-worth-the-cost
This article with comments had some great ideas such as a career coach to aid in a career path, I'm assuming this would be a students "guidance counselor?" When looking back at senior year most students were undecided... and with college costs increasing we better be sure that our career path is one we can live with. . .
CRAIG- All the "fluff" as you call it is what may be hindering our development in becoming a productive and knowledgable work force. Is it possible that we are faced with too many options, and forced to learn too much "Fluff" that we stay undecided? ... I would love more insight on the decline of our work force productiveness and the crucial role our schools curriculum plays in that.

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CowDung

1:58 pm on Friday, November 2, 2012

It just amazes me that so many HS seniors can be so undecided about what they want to do for a living. Are schools failing to expose students to various career choices or not helping them match their natural aptitudes with careers that tend to be rewarding for them?

I am typically skeptical when I hear phrases along the lines of "...Although I was capable of straight A's and B's, I would neglect other classes and independently study the things that captivated me." I hear it often enough to think that most students that fail to earn A's and B's in their schoolwork tend to believe this about themselves...

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Craig

2:17 pm on Friday, November 2, 2012

The Fluff I was referring to was electives in a college degree. In the long run electives are part of the whole learning process. In the short run, it is acceptable to be a part time student taking classes that are directly applicable to your field.
HS Guidance is only there for those who push for it, if you are not a squeeky wheel- they simply pass you by. This is unfortunate in homes where the student has been taught by parents to rely only on themself, kids feel less entitled to demand time with guidance.
Let me make something clear: Higher education is a great thing if that suits you as an individual. Nothing is wrong with being a factory worker, if that suits your tastes. Too often guidance will ignore a student who feels they just want to find a job and start earning a living after HS, this needs to change.
Interest and apptitude tests should be a regular ocurrance from junior high through high school. Kids mature at different levels and times, by testing often we would be doing them a service. Of course this will increase the workload for Guidance, but you get out what you put in.

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Bren

2:30 pm on Friday, November 2, 2012

Cow, I suggest that while discussion of occupational clusters begins in middle school, the indecision faced by many high school students is based on lack of awareness of opportunities. A lot of students switch majors as undergrads, and may pursue a different track in grad school. And most people I know are on a different career path than their original degree.

Craig, I don't agree that all electives are "fluff!" The purpose of advanced degrees is to accumulate specific expertise and also a well-rounded store of knowledge. Sometimes the direct subject isn't as important as the odyssey of discovery.

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Craig

2:50 pm on Friday, November 2, 2012

Ah Bren, I think if you re read what I said, you will notice that I agree with you about electives.
I was just pointing out that those subjects that are "fluff" can be delayed by part time students who are also supporting themselves. The assumption is: some employers may understand that, and hire a student in process.
"Well Mr. HR director, I am in process of getting my degree. I have taken all of my core classes and due to financial constraints, I will take the electives as I can afford them."
If I were interviewing a 20 something kid who said that, I may just believe this kid is thinking properly. He has prioritized every step of his education based on ability to pay and need, I would want him working for me.

Z-Carpentry.com

2:19 pm on Friday, November 2, 2012

I will re-phrase this for conversation sake. " I was not capable of A's and B's in every subject." I am not a 4.0 average and did not dedicate my life to the criteria that was available to me.
I do think the curriculum is out dated and has not helped me make my way in the real world... Yes the high schools are failing to recognize natural aptitudes and subject everyone to the same assignments.
There is no sense of accomplishment in high school other than a passing grade, an art fair, science fair.. etc and I would like to see more students obtain and utilize life skills and the creative technology/networking we have available to us.

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Z-Carpentry.com

2:40 pm on Friday, November 2, 2012

there is so much to learn by the age of 18. This age is commonly perceived as the age to be an adult, this is the age when some parents feel there kids should be self sufficient..
I am Just pushing for the ability to do so, provide the youth with the things they will need to know to survive in an apartment, balancing the checkbook, thinking about retirement, looking for investment opportunities... No curriculum has ever taught me how to prosper in the world... and the opportunities I have.. I had to learn about patents on the internet, I had to learn about the stock market online, I had to learn web design, and sales and marketing through trial and error. I never even learned about a production line until I worked one.. or I never did a sales call until I talked myself into the position... I just think that this knowledge should have been readily available and taught to me.

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CowDung

3:11 pm on Friday, November 2, 2012

Patents, stock market, sales, production line, web design, etc. are a pretty diverse group of skills. I'm not sure that a curriculum could teach you (and everyone else) everything that one would need to know for the world, if these are the things that one really needs to know.

Schools should teach students how to learn in addition to teaching them the various traditional subjects. The internet is a valuable resource and much can be independently learned by those who have actually learned how to learn...

Z-Carpentry.com

3:18 pm on Friday, November 2, 2012

Yes the world is a very diverse place, and without "beating a dead horse" so to speak I will just do my part and be a mentor when I have a chance. That is the only way to put this issue to rest for now. thanks for all the insight." whether we be ill prepared or ignorant, The strongest and smartest will survive."

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Lyle Ruble

3:39 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

@Z-Carpentry.com....You have broached a subject that is a core issue with, I would say, most young adults. You have to understand that public education has not kept pace with the the changing demands of the non academic world. At one time secondary schools taught two tracks, vocational and college. Most school systems have pretty much dropped the vocational tracks and concentrated on the college track. I think that many are now taking another look at reintroducing vocational education into the curriculum. There are some institutions that still teach life skill classes; including money management, parenting, independent living skills, etc.

I think, that college is not for everyone. The idea that you go to college to receive training for employment is contrary to the purpose of a college education. College prepares a person for future learning and to endow the student with basic principles and knowledge to be used in their desired future profession.

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Adam Wienieski

8:51 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Z-man, I would like to congratulate you on making the right decisions. It may not feel that way right now when your buddies are partying at Moo-U while you go to work every day but in the long run it is far more rewarding to be an entrepreneur and small business owner than a wage slave.

College for all has been vastly over sold in this country and the price of higher education keeps going up in lockstep with increased taxpayers funding; a classic bubble created by distortion of the market (see affordable housing policies and the financial crises for an example of how this works.) Witness all the talk about onerous debt due to loans for higher education.

A majority of people your age have no clue what they want to do as a career and for most college is a very expensive way to become the assistant manager of a book store. We need businesses to participate in public education starting no later than high school to develop vocational tracks and skill sets for good paying, high tech service and production jobs.

For the detail check out:
http://www.gse.harvard.edu/news_events/features/2011/Pathways_to_Prosperity_Feb2011.pdf

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Denise Konkol

8:14 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I know we're all getting 'smarter,' but I don't think college is the answer for everyone, unless high schools are just as committed to bringing back skilled trades (remember shop class) to teach skills needed in technical schools for decent to high-paying jobs that are in incredible demand. ACT testing doesn't help a student who would make a great truck driver or welder, both of which make extremely good wages and are desperately needed.

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Craig

12:12 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Our local school teaches welding in metals class. They also place kids who have mastered the skill in summer jobs with local businesses, welding for a nice wage. This program needs expansion and business is called upon to step up and help where they can here.
As this program proves to be efficient, it will no doubt be expanded. Of course it requires a good manufacturing economy. If and when the economy starts to improve, (depending on what happens Tuesday) we can look for more of this program.

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