Gun Control: Why it wouldn't have prevented the Newtown, CT killings

I promised that there would be time to debate what went wrong in Newtown, CT. Why laws that restrict guns may be responsible.

24 hours later, the hurt is not easing, but there are those that want the debate to begin now.  And what I am about to say will clearly anger those that want more restrictions on gun ownership, but the facts presented will prove how insane those steps would be in preventing such attacks.

What do the last four attacks, the Newtown, Ct. attack, the mall attack just 4 days ago, the Salon attack and the Sikh attack all have in common?  They were considered safe places that were "gun-free" zones.  What else did they have in common?  They were all in states that generally allowed "conceal or open carry" of guns.  You will see that almost every mass casualty shooting is in a place where people would not expect it.  Or, they are in places where the victims are not allowed to defend themselves.

If law abiding citizens were allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, then maybe; just maybe, there would be less victims of mass murder.  Surely, if just one teacher or staff member would have had a gun, the shooter may have been stopped well before he reached the classrooms.  Innocent lives are lost today because of states not granting law abiding citizens their full 2nd Amendment rights.

It is obvious that law abiding gun owners are not committing these acts.  In yesterday's tragedy, the guns were stolen from his mother (who had no criminal record and obtained the guns legally), the shooter was under the age of 21 (not allowed to possess handguns), and he brought guns into a "gun-free" zone.  All seemed to be laws put into place to protect society, but all failed in a horrific way.

The tragedy in Norway was much the same.  71 lives were lost in a country that has high gun ownership.  However, Norway does not allow open or concealed carry.  You don't think one legal gun owner could have prevented some lives in that situation?

Again, and I have brought this up in other posts, Chicago has some of the most restictive gun laws in the world, yet more people are killed by guns in the city in one year, than all the deployed troops in active war zones.

The crazed mass murderer surely doesn't care about the sanctity of life; why would he care if he breaks a few gun laws to achieve is goal.  To think otherwise is just ridiculous, and that is where the left's argument falls apart.

It is time to admit that there are just evil people in this world that are willing to do the unthinkable.  I don't care if this guy had a mental issue or not.  The fact is he is just an example of pure evil.  Evil doesn't  care about laws.  Evil attacks the defenseless.  Evil attacks the weak.  Evil doesn't care if it's a gun, knife, car bomb, or airplane.  Yesterday, as well as many times in history, evil hit us at home.  This was personal to almost every human being.  The taking of such young, defenseless and innocent children in a place that parents must entrust safety of their precious children, is as heinous as evil can get.

So while we mourn and pray for all those affected by this massacre, lets not make the situation worse by adding new restrictive gun control laws.  Let's really think how we can let our teachers and administrators protect our children by lifting the ridiculous "gun-free" zones.  They should have the same right to protect themselves and their children, as I do in my home.  If not them, than who?

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Dirk Gutzmiller December 19, 2012 at 02:16 AM
Dey - You are soooo out of touch with this. You come across as a howling gun nut, supporting the continued sale of assault weaponry and huge ammo magazines in the face of America's outrage.. Even your sacred NRA will be softening up on gun laws. They have to, as spokemen like you are infuriating good Americans by mumbling that nothing can be done to prevent this type of violence, except by more and more people carrying more and more guns. Quoting gun numbers and violence through the world is naive and misleading. Culture is a huge variable in gun violence, even more than laws or lack thereof when it comes to guns. America must deal with its own cultural realities, not Switzerland's or any other country. You need to recognize that the event in Conn. was so heinous, horrific, and so totally beyond the standards of civilized decency, utterly intolerable, that we are indeed compelled to develop the best solutions that we can, and rabid fans of military style assault weapons will just have to sacrifice their right to go into Wal-Mart and buy a virtual military arsenal.
Young Conservative December 19, 2012 at 02:19 AM
Dirky boy is another low information she-male Obama voter I see....who knows nothing about guns.
Brian Dey December 19, 2012 at 03:31 AM
Dirk: Here is the complete list of school shootings during the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban between 1994 and 2004: 11/15/95 - Lynville, Tn School shooting, 2 dead, 1 injured, 22 semi auto rifle 2/2/96 - Moses Lake, Wa School shooting, 3 killed, 1 injured, 30-30 rifle, 357 and 22 pistol 2/19/97 - Bethel, Ak School shooting, killed 2, injured 2, AR-180 and .44 revolver 10/1/97 - Pearl, Ms School shooting, 3 killed, 7 injured, 30.30 rifle and knife 12/1/97 - West Paducah, Ky School shooting, 3 killed, 5 injured, .22 rifle, .22 handgun, 12 ga. shotgun 4/24/98 - Edinboro, Pa School shooting, 1 killed, 3 injured, .25 pistol 5/21/98 - Springfield, Or School shooting, 4 killed, 24 injured, various pistols and a .22 rifle 4/20/99 - Columbine, Co School shooting, 15 killed, 21 injured, various handguns and shotguns 5/20/99 - Conye...rs, Ga School shooting, 6 injured, .22 long rife and .357 revolver 11/2/99 - Honolulu, Hi Office Shooting, 5 killed, 3 wounded, no weapon description other than gun 12/26/00 - Wakefield, Ma Office Shooting, 7 killed, AK-47, 12 ga. Shotgun and .32 cal. revolver 3/5/01 - Santee, Ca School Shooting, 2 killed, 13 wounded 3/22/01 El Cajon, Ca School Shooting, 5 wounded, suspect shot and arrested by police officer on campus 1/16/02 Grundy, Va College Shooting, 3 killed, 3 wounded, .380ACP Semi Auto handgun 4/14/03 New Orleans, La School Shooting, 1 killed, 3 wounded with AK-47 cont...
Brian Dey December 19, 2012 at 03:48 AM
Dirk- Again, you can ban assault rifles all you want, then it will be revolvers, long rifles, etc... They were all used in the killings above. 60 dead, 100 injured. Weapons used include. The largest during that time frame, Columbine used handguns and shotguns. See this is why we fight so hard to protect our right to bear arms. The Assault ban didn't work, so lets ban handguns. Well that didn't work so let's ban all rifles. That didn't work so let's ban shotguns. BTW- the Bushmaster semi-auto is not an assault weapon. I do understand this was the most heinous of crimes, but the responsibility solely lies with the shooter. You need to realize thatand stop making excuses for him. I didn't mumble that nothing can be done. I offered a viable solution. Let me outline it again. Remove the "Gun Free Zone" signs. Allow staff who are trained in tactical use of a firearm to be armed on school grounds, or ante up and pay for armed security, be it off duty police officers or others properly trained. We already have that in our high schools in Racine. Use the Canadian model for proper training depending on the type of gun you own. If you are on medication that warns of suicidal thoughts or violence associated with the side effects, the doctor must report that to the FBI, which conducts background checks forfirearm purchases. Have stiffer penalties for gun owners who do not promptly report a stolen gun. cont...
Brian Dey December 19, 2012 at 03:49 AM
All these will have a greater effect than any ban you throw out there and the proof is listed above. If you are not willing to think of anything other than ban guns, then you are part of the problem, not the solution. And using other countries was just to further support the data collected in the U.S. for U.S. shootings. And I have already spelled out on another thread that I see no reason to have magazines that hold more than 9 and 1 in the chamber.


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