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The Perils of Teacher Turnover

New Berlin could lose up to a third of their teachers. Teacher turnover has serious consequences.

Back in March, noted education historian Diane Ravitch penned a blog for Education Week called “Why Are Teachers So Upset?” Ravitch, a research professor of education at New York University, is the author of “The Death and Life of the Great American School System” and was assistant secretary of education in the George H.W. Bush administration. She knows of what she speaks.

Her blog cited a MetLife study stating that teacher job satisfaction was the lowest it has been in 20 years. In three years, it went from 59 percent to 44 percent while the percentage of teachers likely to leave the profession climbed from 17 percent to 29 percent.

Ravitch contends that job satisfaction is directly tied to feeling that the profession is respected by the community. This calls to mind a story in Tuesday’s Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about the School District of New Berlin. The district is in danger of losing up to a third of its teachers. A total of 50 out of 314, more than 15 percent, have resigned or retired already this year.

Salaries and benefits are not the main reasons behind the departures. The paper spoke with more than a dozen employees and wrote that the concerns of most have little to do with paying more for retirement or benefits.

“The resentment appears to stem from feelings that their input doesn't matter, that the administration doesn't communicate well with them, that they aren't supported or appreciated by people in the district, and that changes meant to be good for kids are poorly executed and fail to improve teaching.”

The fact is, the teachers quitting the profession are often the very best we have. That is something that should concern everyone. We all want our children to have the very best education possible. High teacher turnover comes with serious consequences.

For starters, studies show that teachers are at their best after seven years in a classroom. With nearly half quitting before their fifth year, there is a serious lack of experienced educators.

Fiscal conservatives take note: all the turnover is extremely expensive. The Alliance for Excellent Education says that schools and districts nationwide spend about $2.2 billion per year recruiting and training replacements.

A major recent study provides more reasons for concern. Entitled “How Teacher Turnover Hurts Student Achievement,” it was conducted by researchers Susanna Loeb of Stanford University, Matthew Ronfeldt of the University of Michigan, and Jim Wyckoff of the University of Virginia.

Mark Simon, an education policy analyst at the Economic Policy Institute, summarized the findings in the Washington Post. “Turnover affects morale and the professional culture at a school. It weakens the knowledge base of the staff about students and the community. It weakens collegiality, professional support and trust that teachers depend on in their efforts to improve achievement.”

As the debate over education reform continues in Wisconsin, do not lose sight of the fact that schools across the state are losing high-quality teachers, teachers that very are difficult to replace. As the situation in New Berlin proves, it can happen anywhere.

Greg June 28, 2012 at 05:02 pm
What percentage of a school budget do you think goes to textbooks, musical instruments, electric utilities , chemistry equipment etc. etc.?
I do not have the ability to force other people's children to learn like immigrants. I do understand their motivation though. More money has not improved education this far, how much more will do the trick? "No one complains when Rock concert, athletic, or movie tickets go up in price.", what planet are you from? Everyone I know complains, some still go, but they complain.
Greg June 28, 2012 at 05:06 pm
Dave, Would you pay for public schools, if you did not have to? Would you pay more for public schools, if you did not have to?
Dave Koven June 28, 2012 at 07:40 pm
Stormy Weather...Greg...Re- read my comment. Higher costs are not going to go away. You are free to not go to entertainments. If education were truly free of charge, of course I would not pay. I do agree with you that central administrative offices are grossly overstaffed. If anyone needs a secretary's services, it would be a teacher first, everyone else later. Teachers are buried in paperwork created by the layabouts in the central office. Supervisors supervise. They have a vested interest in always finding things wrong, even if there isn't anything. If they don't find anything wrong, they have no reason to come to work. This negativity, when none is needed, only makes the teachers frustrated. They constantly have to change things that really don't need changing. I sympathize with those who can't afford to pay their bills due to taxes. Unfortunately, actual teaching/learning is expensive as long as people want a comprehensive list of course offerings for their children. I also agree Supt. salaries are grossly high. They stick around for an avg. of 4-5 years before they have to try to peddle their tired ideas in another district. Think of them like "Carpetbaggers". They are mostly PR spokesmen. And as we all know, when you need a PR man to speak for you, you must be doing nasty that needs "spinning".
Dave Koven June 28, 2012 at 08:02 pm
Alfred, Alfred, Alfred...Calm down. Most teachers DO work in the private sector. They HAVE TO to supplement their incomes so they can pay their family's bills. I worked loading boxcars, did factory work, cleaned swimming pools, lifeguarded, and many other jobs during my off time so I could afford to stay in education. With the beating teachers are taking from people like you and the loss of their union collective bargaining rights and protections from the often unfair demands of the public, I don't think there will be too many "eager enthusiastic" kids signing up to be burnout cannon fodder. Today's teachers are angry and they have a right to be. Under today's conditions, if my kid wanted to be a teacher, I would refuse to help them with the tuition. Today's teaching conditions are a prescription for disappointment and making yourself available for vilification by anyone in the community that wants to take a potshot at you. Teachers never took a vow of poverty when they signed on. Teaching job prospects don't seem too rosy to me, but I could be wrong. Perhaps you should become a teacher. Your enthusiasm and natural sounding exuberance might fit right in with what a teacher should be?
Drive To 24 June 28, 2012 at 08:38 pm
You have to admit that Walker's divide and conquer strategy is working. So sad for all this state.
Drive To 24 June 28, 2012 at 08:41 pm
Divide and conquer : successful
Walker's other policies , goals: fail
Drive To 24 June 28, 2012 at 08:42 pm
@dave: and CEO salaries are not out of wack?
Greg June 28, 2012 at 08:47 pm
So you are saying that education is just fine?
Greg June 28, 2012 at 08:48 pm
Name a failure and make your case.
Twainlover June 28, 2012 at 08:54 pm
Wow. After reading all that, some of you have really made me sad. My family just bought here in Brookfield after researching other areas for the fabulous neighbors, school system, etc. So far, I feel we have hit the jack pot, except for our house ( a bit of a fixer upper lol). But I look forward to sending my two sons into the Elmbrook school system of excellence, getting involved in the area and school, and enjoying my fellow city residents. I hope that we can all remember a teacher who helped us in school at one time. I hope that we can all cherish what we have here in the Elmbrook district and work to perserve it and keep it thriving. I, too, am a teacher. Please know that I work so hard to make kids succeed. I feel down trodden lately as I enter my 11th year. Am I considered a money hungry veteran? At what year will I be the teacher everyone loathes and speaks of so hatefully? Please remember,MOST of us love our cities, we ARE taxpayers, and we love our profession. Please don't talk this way of other professions, and I hope you soon stop speaking of mine in this fashion. Your new neighbor.
Heather in Caledonia June 28, 2012 at 10:32 pm
That's in an interesting turn of phrase "in governing you." I don't know it, but I need to have someone govern me at all times because I'm completely unable to govern myself. :) Many things work when governing people these days, so they can be done over and over - the police can drive around to patrol the streets, the fire department can run long shifts to provide the best coverage, the DMV can send me little stickers through the mail to put on my car...
Public schools are local - the Pentagon is federal. There is a difference. Anyone with an ax to grind should be able to walk into a meeting and make themselves heard. People do have the right to assemble and can walk around in the street in front of the White House waving a sign telling everyone they want us out of Afghanistan. I bet there is even a way to get a hearing with officials in Washington if you take the time and are respectful. You have hit the nail on the head about the public schools not being able to be everything for everyone. One suggestion I had was that control over the schools in RUSD be given over more to the principal and teachers. Each school should be able to run themselves the best way they see fit - that would allow different schools with different needs to operate in the most efficient and effective manner. However, the very nature of the public school system right now prevents differentiation. A shift away from that would take a systemic change.
Stormy Weather June 29, 2012 at 12:11 am
Twainlover - The majority of the teachers in this district who have taught my children are really good teachers. I have always supported these teachers and I have always supported the schools that my children attend. We also have teachers in this district who should be fired, but their union protects them and the administration just shifts the bad teachers to a different school. Another problem is that the RUSD administration and our school board are out of touch. They think more money is going to fix things, and it's not! You can't fix out of control kids by catering to their whims. We need respect and discipline in our schools first and foremost. Without that, a teacher has nothing to build on and the problems only get worse as the disruptive students get older...
Greg June 29, 2012 at 01:03 am
"At what year will I be the teacher everyone loathes and speaks of so hatefully?"
Really?
Drive To 24 June 29, 2012 at 02:29 am
@greg: do I need to think for you ?
Greg June 29, 2012 at 02:42 am
Nope
Keith Schmitz June 29, 2012 at 10:24 am
More and more it is becoming obvious that these Patch blogs are infested with paid Koch bloggers. Nobody has that amount of time to spend here (and probably elsewhere) unless they were compensated to do it.
Stormy Weather June 29, 2012 at 01:12 pm
Keith - You really are a liberal piece of work... Koch, Koch, Koch... That's the best you can say? Many of us who blog on the Patch are trying to bring to light all the problems that we see happening in our district. We do this, because we are involved parents and or tax payers. The liberal mentality of zero accountability, free food, free money, free phones, free rent, free health care, etc. is ruining our district, our state and our country. We are fighting back and some of the teachers who used to be afraid to speak out are jumping on board and they will also fight back. Because of Act 10, Your once over powerful unions are losing members and our conservative, fiscally and socially responsible ideas will prevail...
Stormy Weather June 29, 2012 at 01:21 pm
And btw... I'm not paid by anyone to blog.
Greg June 29, 2012 at 03:46 pm
Keith, Like everything else you have ever posted, you are WRONG. Have you paid Hoffa his fifty beans?
Greg June 29, 2012 at 03:52 pm
Nothing yet? That's OK we have time.
Greg June 29, 2012 at 03:58 pm
If they are your heroes, why do you call them lazy?
WIPLAYER June 29, 2012 at 04:13 pm
Maybe I missed something in the original story. Is this statement, "The fact is, the teachers quitting the profession are often the very best we have." supported anywhere or is it not fact but opinion?
Avenging Angel June 29, 2012 at 04:22 pm
Hey Keith, George Soros paying you to blog? I guess, like many, you are only comfortable in an echo chamber environment.
Greg June 29, 2012 at 04:23 pm
When will we get past the emotion driven finger pointing and start addressing the problems. Things are getting worse, something needs to change. Yes, change for the teachers, the students that want an education and society in general.
There are probably some hard choices ahead of us and unfortunately it will include personal responsibility. Maybe we can not save every student. Some may have to be tossed to the street, they may need to be allowed to fail in life. We may need to stop supporting any able bodied people that do not want to support themselves. You want to eat, you have to get a job. you want a job, you have to stay in school. A safety net should no longer be a way of life. This does not just apply to the under privileged, a punk in the suburbs should also thrown out and left to fend for himself. We have to get past the idea of life needs to be fair and start promoting individual responsibility.
Greg June 30, 2012 at 01:32 am
Vow of poverty??? Dave you really are a drama queen.
What level of teacher compensation would you like to see? Give us a number. Remember the average compensation for an MPS teacher is over $100,000/year.
Twainlover June 30, 2012 at 01:20 pm
I agree with a lot of what you spoke of Stormy Weather. Thanks :)
Twainlover June 30, 2012 at 01:22 pm
@ Greg: Wow, are you really that jaded? Or just on here to perturb people? If the latter, then at least fire back with substance.
grs July 1, 2012 at 07:07 pm
AA -- Thuggery at it's best : http://buffalobeast.com/koch-whore/
Koch: We’ll back you any way we can. What we were thinking about the crowd was, uh, was planting some troublemakers. Walker: You know, well, the only problem with that —because we thought about that. The problem—the, my only gut reaction to that is right now the lawmakers I’ve talked to have just completely had it with them, the public is not really fond of this… My only fear would be if there’s a ruckus caused is that maybe the governor has to settle to solve all these problems…
Greg July 1, 2012 at 07:34 pm
Substance hmmmm, OK.
You sound like the high school girl that doesn't get the lead in the play, so she goes home and cries to her mother "everybody HATES meee", mother comforts her and tells her she should have gotten the lead. The next week upon getting a C on her math test, she goes home and cries to her mother "everybody HATES meee", mother rolls her eyes and tells her daughter that nobody hates her. Soon the girl is not invited to a slumber party, she runs and cries to her mother "everybody HATES meee", the mother looks hard at her daughter and starts to realize why everybody hates her.
Jeffrey Cartier September 28, 2012 at 01:47 am
Tom,
According to your logic the teachers we need are called something else: babysitters - they are cheap and work when needed. Sounds like the new landscape of public education to me. What are we waiting for? Think of all the money we could save.

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