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Wisconsin Has a Drinking Problem

Two Wisconsin legislators are working on toughening up the state's drunken driving laws. Much more needs to be done to address our serious drinking problem.

Wisconsin has a drinking problem. This is not exactly news to state residents. Last year the CDC reported that nearly 23 percent of adults here are binge drinkers, putting Wisconsin among the top in the nation.

A study by a division of the Department of Health and Human Services noted that Wisconsin is also number one in drunk driving, with 23.7 percent of all people 16 years or older driving under the influence of alcohol over a one-year period.

The lack of teeth in our drunken driving laws has also been widely reported. They are among the weakest in the nation. Wisconsin is the only state where first offense drunken driving is a traffic offense and is only a crime when a child younger than 16 is in the vehicle.

So Sen. Alberta Darling’s (R-River Hills) plan to propose tougher drunken driving laws is a good one. The legislation would make a person’s third OWI a felony. At the moment, it is a felony after a fourth conviction within a period of five years.

Darling and Rep. Jim Ott (R-Mequon) are also pondering a sobriety checkpoint pilot program and treatment programs for repeat offenders.

Some have balked at the costs, but that is a misguided complaint. The Department of Transportation estimated that alcohol-related crashes cost the state more than $500 million in 2000. Not to mention the hundreds of people killed every year in a car accident involving drunk driving.

While it is great that Darling and Ott are trying to do something about the problem, we need more lawmakers to get serious about it. We also need to focus on more than just drunken driving laws. The drinking problem here is cultural, as evidenced by a series of deaths across the state this year alone.

There is the well-known case of Michael Philbin, 21 when he died after falling through the ice in Oshkosh back in January. In April, UW Stevens-Point student Eric Duffey, also 21, died in March. He accidentally drowned in the Wisconsin River.

Two other recent deaths in Milwaukee highlight the severity of binge drinking statewide. In May, 32-year-old Robert Pierzchalski fell from a downtown Milwaukee parking lot after a night of drinking. He was found at 3 a.m. The Medical Examiner’s report notes that he was tailgating prior to a Brewers-Cubs game that began at 1 p.m. He then went bar-hopping on Water Street until 1 or 2 a.m. That means Pierzchalski might have been drinking for more than 12 straight hours prior to his death.

The other recent accidental death is that of , which received widespread media attention. He was missing for nearly two weeks before his body was found in March in the Milwaukee River. Like Pierzchalski, he had spent many hours drinking prior to disappearing. Hecht and his friends had participated in a St. Patrick’s Day pub crawl.

The fact that Philbin and Duffy and Pierzchalski and Hecht were not driving did not save them. All are dead way too young because they made foolish decisions after consuming too much alcohol. As long as we keep acting as if binge drinking is normal, acceptable behavior, these senseless and preventable deaths will continue. Why does anyone need to drink all day and night? Why are so many residents of this state unable to go out for a beer or two? Instead it's six, eight or 10 beers, not to mention hard alcohol.

Whether it’s a Packer/Brewer/Badger game day, St. Patrick’s Day, or a random Saturday night, it should not be considered normal to consume that much alcohol in a single day.

So while it’s commendable that Darling and Ott are developing legislation to stiffen up our drunken driving laws, there are other serious alcohol-related problems in Wisconsin that need immediate attention.

Johnny Seed July 10, 2012 at 05:05 pm
Harsher penalties and gestapo checkpoints will not change anything. Many young drinkers will look to alternatives. These alternative have much worse consequences on society. We need to look for a solution that targets excessive drinking and does not prosecute a person for having a beer.
James R Hoffa July 10, 2012 at 05:08 pm
@JB -
You're right - the drunks should be the ones that pay. But why does the alcoholic beverage industry and tavern league in this state, through their respective lobbies, constantly push for legislation that protects drunks? Like I said, up the OWI fines to $25k minimum for first offense, survivable in bankruptcy, and force the state to aggressively pursue collection of such fines until the death of the convicted. The righteous shouldn't have to pay for the idiots - I'm getting fed up with that crap!
Lyle Ruble July 10, 2012 at 05:17 pm
@J.B. Schmidt...C'mon, you can't be serious. The only reason you don't want to increase the tax is that you like to put down a few brews. The current tax on a six pack of your Miller Lite, federal and state is only $.16 plus sales tax. At least smokers are already paying for their addiction and the future healthcare costs at the rate of about $1300 per year for a pack a day smoker. You're clearly showing hypocrisy at this point.
Jim Brittain July 10, 2012 at 05:20 pm
How are smokers paying for their 'future healthcare expenses' through higher taxes when the money is spent before they light up? Come on Rube, think before you type!
Johnny Paycheck July 10, 2012 at 05:25 pm
Alberta Darling is so smart... No people no crime... Lock them all up for life and throw away the key Alberta!
Johnny Paycheck July 10, 2012 at 05:34 pm
Those don't work very well SH00TY... Most of the time when someone leaves a bar their blood alcohol level continues to rise for quite some time...
Bob McBride July 10, 2012 at 05:43 pm
Lyle, every solution you propose involves taxing - preferably (and I'm guessing pretty much exclusively) someone other than yourself. Every problem that plagues society can not be fixed by increasing taxes - nor should they be exploited for those purposes simply because it sounds like a good idea.
You're not going to be able to tax away alcoholism. When you're talking about people who have 3 or mored DWIs, for the most part that's the subset you're dealing with. Alcoholics, in general, bottom out before they give in. That's more likely to happen via harsher penalties and making it impossible to plead to some other offense. You're not going to be able to nickel and dime them into submission.
Mr. Wonderful July 10, 2012 at 05:44 pm
Maybe if a fraction of the comments on these boards made sense I wouldn't have to drink. Seriously, the state does have a drinking problem. It get's passed down from generation to generation. Go to a Brewer game, Badger game, on and on. I enjoy a few beers here and there, a few glasses of wine and every once in awhile I let loose (not with purpose). I think it really boils down to tough DD laws. The risk of jail/prison time for a first offense would surely have an impact on things. If I know I'm going out to a show, etc. I'll cab it, or ride my bike, or take the bus. Much more convenient than court or the lifelong guilt of hurting or killing someone else. Problem is, were a lazy, short-sighted society and those alternatives, as simple as they are, aren't considered by people.
Lyle Ruble July 10, 2012 at 05:47 pm
@Jim Brittain...The rational for the high tax on tobacco is for the purpose I stated. Now, whether it is spent before hand or not, I don't have any control of that. If we don't keep the funds isolated, then it will be paid from general funds, which no one wants.
Lyle Ruble July 10, 2012 at 05:52 pm
@Bob McBride...All I'm trying to do in proposing the increased tax on alcohol is to provide the funding necessary for education, enforcement and treatment. The general fund is already stretched and setting up a dedicated fund only makes sense to me.
Jim Brittain July 10, 2012 at 05:58 pm
Lyle you are certainly a Pollyanna with your blind faith in the government to cure all of the ills of society. Is it blind ignorance? Is it naiveté? as i mentioned on another tract, i beleive it is a combination of those two plus the fact that your family unit PROFITS from the down trodden, the poor, the elderly. Without them and their suffering you do not PROFIT. Get away the PROFIT your family takes from the poor and truly help the sick and poor.
J. B. Schmidt July 10, 2012 at 06:14 pm
@Lyle
We wouldn't need a tax for that. For instance, MA just allowed their EBT cards to be used for nail salons and jewelry stores. My guess is that we here in Wisconsin have enough people swapping food stamps for alcohol. We have enough waste and fraud within our current system of taxation and redistribution that additional taxation will only increase the fraud and greed within government. Yes, I do like my Miller Lite. However, I hate cigs after trying one; yet, I am against their taxation. Hence, my own personal desires are irrelevant. When the government decides what products are good and bad via taxation, there is no end and the choice of products falls to the whims of the electorate. An easy example is the banning of the big gulp in NY. Are they preventing anything? NO. Are they removing freedoms? YES. Admit it, you want to punish the alcohol industry. It isn't the fault of the drinker, it is the fault industry showing attractive women in commercials. We must punish the industry in equals parts for making a product that could be used for harm.
Bren July 10, 2012 at 06:23 pm
Alcoholism is a disease and should be treated as such. Alcohol has become intertwined with social events, and sport and event sponsorships by alcohol companies creates an alcohol-friendly environment in which drinking is a sophisticated and welcomed activity. There will always be people who drink to excess in the misguided belief that it imbues sophistication, confidence, etc.; they are the ones most likely to fall into addiction. Studies indicate that addiction to alcohol is often accompanied by other addictions (cigarettes, etc.). It's a self-destructive pattern of behavior.
I agree with the luxury taxes. In Canada, taxes on alcohol, cigarettes, etc., fund the national health plan. Here it could fund rehab programs and education as Mr. Ruble suggests.
Bob McBride July 10, 2012 at 06:24 pm
Lyle, you're assuming education and enforcement (and frankly we've got about as much of both those as you can expect to be effective as is) are going to prevent this from happening. They won't. Unless you back up the enforcement with stiffer penalties and stick to them, no amount of enforcement is going to have any effect. Education has been done to death and it does nothing. Treatment only works on those willing to accept it.
Simply throwing more money at it by taxing and giving more to the government isn't a solution. Locking people up, taking away their driving privileges and their cars and fining the crap out of them will discourage the casual drinker who gets caught some night driving at or slightly over .08% and extending all those conditions to the point where it essentially wreaks havoc with the lives of those who are into their multiples (thus producing for most, an inescapable "bottom") will produce the most viable and effective solution - until society places the kind of stigma on such behavior as they have on cigarette smoking.
James R Hoffa July 10, 2012 at 06:25 pm
Gestapo checkpoints are indeed a bad idea and Hoffa does not support them. However, harsher penalties would only act to punish those who over-indulge, and would not represent the prosecuting of "a person for having a beer," as you suggest.
Lyle Ruble July 10, 2012 at 06:27 pm
@Jim Brittain...Let me pose this question; would you expect your healthcare professional not to be paid for his or her services? Also, my wife and I have spent most of our adult lives volunteering not only helping the poor, but in a variety of other projects. I don't know what your profession or job is, but I highly doubt that you work for free. Why are you suggesting that others work for free?
Jim Brittain July 10, 2012 at 06:32 pm
My health care professional(my doctor) is paid by me for services to either cure what is bothering me or for consultative advice. No, he should not work for free. No, he also does not claim to be virtuous or claim to be working for a higher cause by helping me, like you poverty pimps who PROFIT from the poor do daily. If you feel so strongly about helping the poor, do it without the PROFIT motive and you will become more sincere in seeing an end to poverty. Until that time you and your spouse are nothing but poverty pimps who want to continue to see folks suffer only to line your own pockets.
Lyle Ruble July 10, 2012 at 06:47 pm
@Jim Brittain...We didn't create the poverty or do we maintain it like people like you. My wife has to go in and clean up the messes created by society and attempt to heal families. It requires someone who is an educated and dedicated professional. Equally, even if your physician doesn't cure you, they still expect to get paid. By continuing your current tract, you certainly are not arguing in good faith and just proves you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Jim Brittain July 10, 2012 at 06:50 pm
As I expected from you Mr Ruble, you continue to rationalize that your family union PROFITS from the pain and suffering of the poor thus you have no incentive to end poverty since it lines your pockets. You sir are a sick individual and I am glad the rest of the folks now see proof of it.
J. B. Schmidt July 10, 2012 at 06:53 pm
@Jim Brittian
Do poverty pimps where crushed velvet suits, big gold chains and the fuzzy 70's cowboy hats with a feather in it? If so, I really need to see a picture of Lyle in his poverty pimp attire. http://www.costumesinc.com/p8133/Pimp-Costume-Adult.html
Bren July 10, 2012 at 07:57 pm
joey, quite a few companies already offer cash awards to employees for successfully completing smoking cessation or diet programs. I don't believe that a national health care system would control people's bodies to the degree that the right-wing fringe does.
Red Meat causes heart disease and cancer if that's all you eat. How about a luxury tax on fast food, alcohol, cigarettes?
jbw July 11, 2012 at 01:23 am
I don't understand what you mean by "education". You mean teaching people that drinking lots of alcohol at one time can be bad for you, and that OWI is a crime? How many people are currently unaware of these things, how many repeat offenders are unaware? Maybe we should focus education efforts on getting our society above an effective 5th-grade reading and math level, since we're supposedly already paying teachers quite a lot just to fail at that goal.
Or is it more of a propaganda/brainwash operation where you pound an anti-alcohol (or anti-whatever) message into people's heads all day every day to co-opt their own thoughts? I used to see enough of that constant PSA garbage when I still had a TV to make me physically ill. Couple it with our non-stop political ads and you can't go for a minute without someone else telling you what to think. It does waste (or rather divert) a lot of money, but I certainly wouldn't call it education. I never drink at all myself, never have, though I've been told making your own at home has never been more popular than it is today. How would that trend intersect with the high luxury tax idea? Just a typical loophole, I guess.
$$andSense July 11, 2012 at 02:04 am
Just pass the 18th amendmendment again, mandate breath interlocks on all new vehicles and retrofit existing vehicles and don't dirve if you feel endangered being on the road. Let the texters, cell phoners, etc. etc. go on with their game. All will be well. No problem or inconvenience, right? Confiscate all firearms and no one will get shot either. Right? PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO DIE FROM STUPIDITY! You cannot fix stupid through legislation.
James R Hoffa July 11, 2012 at 02:41 am
@$$andSense -
Congratulations - you finally made a post that actually makes sense! Hoffa is so proud of you!
$$andSense July 11, 2012 at 03:09 am
Sorry to break your bubble, it was pure sarcasm. Intrusion of Constitutional protections is no funny matter but it may be to your generation. And you claim to be some kind of conservative? If you don't like alcohol or guns (which neither mix), stay away from both. Don't patronize me with your Genny X attitude. That’s punk. And your dad was Viet Nam brand? Does he know you post this crap?
James R Hoffa July 11, 2012 at 03:22 am
$$andNonsense -
Lighten up and lose the edge already - it's making you look like a grumpy old man! I realized that most of your post was pure sarcasm. I'll rhetorically ask you again, do you think that Hoffa is stupid? However, I thought that you were being serious wherein you stated "PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO DIE FROM STUPIDITY! You cannot fix stupid through legislation." And I wholly agree with such a sentiment. So drop the bs already! Even when I agree with the man, he attacks me - incredible!
Johnny Paycheck July 11, 2012 at 02:41 pm
Do you really think that there's there's enough cabs for 30-40% of the people at the show to all take one?
$$andSense July 12, 2012 at 01:47 am
Neither old or grumpy. Just smarter, wiser and more experienced. Do you argue with your father about these same issues? Age and wisdom has it's advantage. No denial on the Genny X I see. Check out my post on your egomania. Rather fitting.
Are you stupid? Never met you or know your life's history (except for info you tendered so far) so no comment. But stupid causes lots of problems and kills people every day. Politicians, drunk drivers and idiots in general, etc. abound. Again,,,,sigh...$$and NonSense. Just don't care for Ben Franklin do you? Again...sigh...using the name of a union thug and passing yourself off as against unions. No shame with you Genny Xer's.
James R Hoffa July 12, 2012 at 02:27 am
$$andNonsense -
The great Hoffa doesn't associate with any particular generation, as he was never conceived in the traditional sense - instead, Hoffa is like the universe and just exists to exude greatness. Call it immaculate if you must, although Hoffa won't because he's a truly humble guy at heart! When did Hoffa ever say that he was against private sector unions?
joey July 12, 2012 at 02:24 pm
@ Bren
Why stop there? Obesity causes major health problems. Paying for those health problems is a financial burden on the non-obese. How about we tax people by the pound? We can create a government office where people must report to be weighed twice a year. The government minders will determine if you are overweight or not. If they determine you're overweight, they tax you by the pound. If you have no income, they take away your food stamps until you drop to a normal weight. I challenge you to come up with a plan that is more fair.

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